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User ID: 2107894Jun 29th 1:16 PM
HELLO ALL DEAR ABDALIANS, DO U THINK MR YAQOOB ABID CHAUDHRY DESERVE TO BE THE D.V.P. OF OUR COLLEGE.WELL, I SHALL LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU THINK WHETHER HE DESERVED TO BE EVEN A TEACHER AT OUR DEAR COLLEGE.AND WAS HE NOT A SOURCE OF CONSTANT MENTAL AND SOMETIMES PHYSICAL TORTURE TO THE STUDENTS? THOSE WHO RESIDED IN JINNAH WING WHEN HE WAS THEIR HOUSEMASTER CAN ALSO PUT SOME LIGHT ON HIS ABILITIES AS A HOUSEMASTER. SO, MY DEAR ABDALIANS , I NEED UR FEEDBACK ON THE ACADEMIC, ADMINISTRATIVE AND MANLIKE ABILITIES OF MR.YAQUB ABID CHAUDHRY.YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THE SUBJECT BY RELATING TO YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH HIM.
THOSE WHO MANAGE THIS SITE ARE REQUESTED NOT TO DELETE THIS TOPIC FROM THIS SITE FOR THE SAKE OF EXPRESSION OF EMOTIONS OF US,THE OLD ABDALIANS.Ch. Umar L/W 39
User ID: 0136334Jun 30th 1:53 PM
way to go man ... that did come straight from the heart ... if u know what i mean
umarUsman Khan J/39
User ID: 0471064Jul 1st 1:29 AM
hmmm...
i think he was a very able teacher... I would not challenge his teaching abilities because i reckon he was pretty good at that.
as a human being,, different people can have different opinions about him. At times he was a bit harsh to people.. but if ur asking personal experiences... i dont have any to share,,, cos i dont really have many complaints about him,,, to me he was a good teacher and he was never unfair to me,,, so it would be unfair of me to say anything bad about him... but yes i know a lot of people who didnt like mister abid... and thats their problem and mister abid's ... and by the way.. trust me ,, cch wudnt b cch without mister abid,,, he makes cch complete in one way or the other (if u know wat i mean)... apologies to my mates who really hate him... but i rather found him 'amusing' during my stay at college.
about him being the DVP... i dont really care....
if shah babar can b a principal,,, any1 can b DVP.haris j/39 Jul 1st 4:57 AM
first of all,i shall like to tell you that i was a very desciplined cadet during my stay at cadet college hasanabdal.never got an extra drill.not a single extra drill during all 5 years at cch.never ever was disobedient or rude to any teacher or authority
i got admission in cch in 1992,when it had been more than 2 years for which i had studied very hard day and night.i was told by many ppl that i had topped the entry test.it did not matter much as i was admitted in the place of my dreams.my father and elder brother are also abdalians and we r truly an abdalian family.even before my first day at cch,my elder brother ,who who was a cadet at that time,told me that he was trying to get my name listedin iqbal wing but mr.abid,may be due to my topping the entry test,had got me listed in jinnah wing.when i became a regular cadet and a jinnahite,i was told by many that mr.abid was not a good person but i did not believe it.after 1 month,we had our first terminal exams;i competed well,was a top position contender for the most part of exams,but due to my very bad marks in physics, i got 11th position eventually.then onwards,i never even got a position in top 20,s and i hold mr.abid responsible for much of my decline.throughout my stay at cch,i felt as if he was looking forward to it that i dont get a moment of mental freedom.almost all jinnahites must have felt the sameas he was our housemaster.he was a source of constant mental torture not only to jinnahites but also to all other students who studied who studied biology in his class.i personally know some people who wanted to but did not take pre-medical as a choice in intermediate,as they wanted to have some time away from him.
that was an example of mental torture and it is difficult to explain mental torture techniques used by him.now,iwill relate incidents when he performed physical torture on me.
when we were in 9th class,i was once giving ragra to some juniors as a dorm senior.mind u those were the good old days when ragra was allowed at cch.he entered the dormatory and without asking any question,started thrashing me with slaps and kicks,14 slaps,4 kicks,as far as i remember.that was, i think,to make a point on the minds of juniors.he liked authority and liked to be liked. when we had summer vacations that year,i asked my parents not to send me to cch again.they refused.i became illdue to mental tension and anxiety and remained ill with an otherwise undiagnosed fever for more than one month.when we were in 10th,jinnahites had a sigh of reliefas he was relieved of housemaster duties.
on 7-10-1995;that was the worst day of my whole life as far as i remember and that is why i fail to forget it,i was attending the"morning assembly"in naeem hall.mr.abid was acting adjutant at that time.when a fellow student finished his speech,i,among all the students clapped for him.when i finished clapping,i saw mr.abid standing nearby.our eyes met and he gave me a mysterious nod and i literally had goose flesh.during classes,i received a notice that i had to see him during long break.when i went to see him,he called me in his office,asked me to bend down on my hands and slammed a branch of a stick 15 times,as far as i remember,on my buttocks with full force.i still remember every minute detail of the incident.he told me that my way of clapping was not right not right.that was too much for me as a student of second most senior class in the college and as a young boy.i wanted to leave cch then and there but my parents again told me to stay.
i could never put such mental and physical traumas behind and could never study up to my potential.i was lucky to get admission in a medical college but there may have been many who would have failed to do so.
the best thing that has happened to me so far in my life is that i became an abdalian and the worst thing that has happened in my life so far is mr.abid.
now shall anybody tell me why i should not hate mr.abid and why a person having qualities like he has been made dvp of cch.
now i put my case to the justice of the principal,members of board of governors and all the higher authorities.
somebody with a heart and a soul,please convey this message of mine to all the concerned authorities so that an effort is made to save the lives of many precious cadets from being ruined by their tormentor and i get justice.ofcourse ALLAH is watching and case is also present in HIS court.
is there no way of prosecuting mr.abid of his misdeeds?what he did to me could also happen to any of you or your children.
haris iqbal j/39,kit no.4089M.ZeeshanHaider39/j
User ID: 1626994Jul 1st 12:56 PM
assalam o alaikum,
My dear Usman,
Don't think of just urself.I know he was very kind to some of students we'r here discussing his overall nature(like Benazir was notbad to me but she is bad i know).Is he meant for such job?.The man who even couldn't manage Jinnah wing rightly throughout his tenure,how can we say that he is a good person ,he is A Politician not an administrator (He is fit for COAS,or call him dictator)so shah babur likes him.we all know the day he becamethe HM of jinnah wing it never rose to become the champion its because of his nature that all students except some(one)hated him at that time and till now.U know that.Haris is right at this point.And i also want to tell every body that abid usually mentally tortured especially those students who were from Saraiki belt(Multani,even shahbabur does that).And this we call the sectarianism.He himself (i think mentally upset from his childhood)so he not fit for this post.Iqbal Shahid
User ID: 9349783Jul 1st 2:29 PM
Hmmmmmm. Difficult one for me. It is true that i used to be very much afraid of Mr. Abid and didnt like him when i was in cch although he was quite ok with me. But dont forget!!!! we are all Muslims. All of us are imperfect. but as a teacher the muslims are tought to respect him alot. This life is limited and it will all be over very soon. The important thing for us is to think and do what Allah like us to think and do. None of us can make a difference to mr.Abid if we all write bad things about him. So i think it would be right if we talk about our improvement as MUSLIMS in this forum rather than a topic in which we all right rubbish about any person.haris j/39 Jul 1st 2:47 PM
my dear iqbal,
i think we should write in this forum as a part of abdalian community.if u want to talk about islam,you should better go to www.ALLAH.com.well, you gave your view in very short words.the idea behind initiating this topic was to try to save the lives of present and upcoming abdalians from a menace.please dont mind any harsh words made towards you.i am truly emotional over this topic as i was the one who got most penalty,as i have stated above.people tend to forget and forgive but i find myself unable to forget and forgive yet ,even after 4 years have passed since i left cch.haris j/39 Jul 1st 3:22 PM
my dear iqbal,
i think we should write in this forum as a part of abdalian community.if u want to talk about islam,you should better go to www.ALLAH.com.well, you gave your view in very short words.the idea behind initiating this topic was to try to save the lives of present and upcoming abdalians from a menace.please dont mind any harsh words made towards you.i am truly emotional over this topic as i was the one who got most penalty,as i have stated above.people tend to forget and forgive but i find myself unable to forget and forgive yet ,even after 4 years have passed since i left cch.Saqib Iqbal H/35
User ID: 1237224Jul 1st 9:06 PM
my dear friends
i m elder brother of haris.i m very hurt to read all this about Mr.Abid.i was never told about all this either by Haris nor even by my parents.I dont know the reason behind this.But i am very sad and hurt to read what Mr.Abid did to him.Haris, u should have atleast told me.i think he was not that bad in your first year of college when i was in 2nd year.I only remember one incident when he told me that i should not call Haris and meet him in Haider Wing.what a pity.i was not allowed to meet my own brother in the privacy of my room.no other cadet of any other wing was asked to do that.and i also agree with Zeeshan Haider that he and shahbabur have a different attitude with students from multan and adjacent areas.i have heard news about it.i think the reason is jamil academy.shahbabur and mr.abid and many other teachers (not all teachers) dont like students of jamil academy (now misali school).i dont know why. every person has the right to get admission in CCH even they r from backward areas of multan and muzaffargarh.
I didnt had much opportunity to get a taste what Mr.abid is very famous of delivering but back in my years of college ,everyone used to hate him .Even my father hate him.we r an abdalian family but he made my father and my younger brother to believe that CCH is not a nice place and never think of sending ur own children to CCH.
my two elder cousin Amir munir and Nasir munir are also abdalian.Nasir bhai was wing Commander and later Nasir bhai was section Commander of Aurangzeb wing.aamir bhai told me that only person he hates in CCH is Mr.Abid because he slapped him(his only punishment in CCH...he was later Wing Commander) and he had a famous diary in which he used to write names of those students whose life will be made hell by him in the next 5 years.
i only told u about the things i know and nothing much.Haris has not asked me to do this.He is in karachi right now and i am in lahore.he only asked me to give my honest views.decision is yours. and haris, i am very sorry to hear all about this.but now foget all this and go ahead and make Mr.abid wrong about his assessment about u.
love to all of u there.remember nothing is greater than abdalian spirit when we talk about CCH and together we can rise.Omar Malik
User ID: 3131844Jul 2nd 1:39 AM
After reading all these messages about Mr Abid one thing is for sure, he was not very popular among students. As for myself well like Usman Khan my experiences with him were mostly pleasant. But still i have to agree during my stay at cch i saw a lot of people suffer at the hands of Mr Abid and i think the one who suffered most was Haris and i fully comisserate with him.
But the most important thing here that we all seem to be ingnoring is that to degrade a teacher
on a public forum like this is wrong no matter what the personal experiences of the student are. It saddens me that a lot of people are over looking this fact. But then again i was not one of the students to suffer at Mr Abid's hands so maybe i can't relate to the experiences of other students such as Haris.
Any way this is what i think.
By the way this forum really is a wonderful place to express ones views.
Iqbal Shahid
User ID: 8353323Jul 2nd 2:26 AM
Dear Haris,
As a muslim i am not supposed to give views only at sites relating to Islam but any muslim should tackle a problem with Islam in mind. If we abdalians can show the way to others to be better muslims, i think it is the ultimate achievement. I agree that i was a bit harsh in writing RUBBISH, but what i meant was that u were indulged in gheebat which is not right and also it was of ur teacher no matter what his character was. Also, we humans are not judges of other's characters. Its Allah. Who knows the person u hate alot is better than u in the eyes of ALLAH. So i think the forum is a wonderful place but these type of topics shouldnt be there.
Iqbal Shahid
39/jharis j/39 Jul 2nd 6:36 AM
dear iqbal and omar,
this is not gheebat as i am doing it on this forum so that all people and mr.abid also appreciates that what he has been doing and probably still doing is a wrong thing.he may not have been doing what he does if he was sure that he was wrong.yes,he was my teacher;but what if a teacher commits a crime?should he get away without paying a price?and i am not judging his character.i am trying to tell the people that his promotion as a dvp and even his presence in cch may have harmed many like me and we may be able to save many young lives from being spoiled.if you were not the one targeted by him,it doesnt mean that you should try to stop the one targeted by him from expressing views and registering protests.you are probably unaware of the mental trauma i face even today after such a long time.you probably dont know the depth of my feelings.let me tell you,i still sometimes see nightmares with regards to your dear mr.abid.and the only reason,i am using this forum to express myself is that i dont know a better way to do so.does civilized world not call it child abuse what he did to me?should i go to a court of law against him?but then i think that a court of law is a more public place than this forum.i have repeatedly tried to put the past behind me all these years but i have miserably failed to do so.the traumas i face in my mind are too great to forget.you cannot probably know the extent of the emotional and mental traumas i faced and still feel.its no joke.you could have been in my place had you faced what i did.physical wounds do heal easily but mental and emotional ones dont.i just want justice for a person who abused me severely and deeply as a child.if you civilized persons cannot help me,then at least dont oppose me in exposing him.kamran 39/A
User ID: 0798784Jul 2nd 7:47 AM
well gentlemen
its really great to see jinnahites fightin over mr.abid.first mr.iqbal shahid,let me tell u that recently a case was reported in newspapers about mr.abid raping a woman,(u can confirm it)i'm studyin law and i can't say it without authenticity.people have got extracts of the newspapers.
well haris ,i've got different incidents with mr.abid to share ,but it's too late now .usman khan is right in sayin that if a man like honourable shah babar can be principal ,then any1 i mean any1 can be DVP.i on behalf of abdalians at UET assure u of full support and assure u that i'll raise this issue at abdalian's reunion.Shahzad Ahmed H/W
User ID: 8875883Jul 2nd 9:01 AM
hi ppl,
its good to see u ppl here after a long time but what isnt good, is that ur arguing on such petty matters.Well i dont really balme harris. but dont u ppl think its really late now to talk about this.hes getting frustrated now, nothing more.
I have a no. of mishaps like this and i know a number of rather most of the abdalians who want to tell their stories.just try to think in future , dont be tied to ur past.now after 4 years from the college harris is trying to tell that he had bad times in college.Frankly yaar i dont get this.and what more its just part of life.
take care......
Iqbal Shahid
User ID: 8353323Jul 2nd 10:20 AM
Salaam to all.
Kami, I would like to see ur authentic report alongwith proof. And Haris, the way u said "ur dear mr. Abid" shows that u r trying to force everyone to experience the feelings u have. i think Shahzad is right. u people are not realizing that a forum in which ABDALIANS are degrading one of their teachers - no matter they think it is for the betterment of CCH - I dont think is right.
Haris sudhar ja....zeeshan 39/j
User ID: 0387824Jul 2nd 2:29 PM
assalam o alaikum,
iqbal if its true that u were afraid of Mr.Abid
as i know a person becomes afraid of some other person for two reasons
(i)Either u had been doing wrong things for which u became afraid of Abid
(II)or Mr.Abid was a Terrorist(As its the definition of a person to whom innocent people are supposed to be afraid of.
understand .........
I know that the whole jinnah wing was afraid either its u ,me or haris but now he is DVP
pitty on young abdalians........Abdullah Tariq 39/j
User ID: 0492334Jul 2nd 2:54 PM
OK Guys
I have been reading and analyzing. I am of the opinion that there is no right or wrong view
based on someone's experiences, but there is ONE RIGHT and ONE WRONG. Based on what my friend
Iqbal says about leaving it all for the judgement day, how can one bring about change if one just
sits down and wait for that day. I think that is impractical and one of the reasons for our downfall
as a nation. If this were the case there was no need for any improvement, no laws and no expectations.
People would just sit and wait for "Kiamat Ka Din". Is this notion a good one? As far as
degrading a teacher is concerned, well you don't do wrong stuff, you will not be criticized.
We think that a person of high or respectable rank does not deserve to be punished or questioned.
It is this reason that our X-prime minister and the Judge of one of the courts have only been
suspended from there position, not presecuted and punished. And we have examples in Prophet
Muhammmad's (PBUH)life, when he said that his daughter can get punishment if she commits a crime.
Dear Abdalians, CCH is our home and Haris is not wrong about what he said. I am a witness to
what happened to him and it is true that his educational career was destroyed by Mr. Abid. It
is not sane to expect a teen-ager to be perfect or even close to that. We were young kids,
when we were there and corporal punishment is not the solution.
Mr abid ch. once negatively commented about one of my friends that he was on financial aid.
He felt really bad about it. Some people were made to feel that even though they deserved
something, they would not get it. I will give you an example, the deserving cadet captain from
38th entry was not even made the best sportsman because it was decided that "he just doesn't fit
the role". If you are a son of a general and you slaughter Mr. Shah Baber's turkey you don't get
expelled whereas if you are a "civillian's Aulaad", just don't even think about it. When did
Islam teach that. Mr Baber Shah told my junior that his decisions about suspension from college
were based on whose dad he is messing with, OK!!
What really turns me on is that people just think that Allah is going to come and make all the
improvments. We are the one who are responsible for our institutions and if we do not criticize,
we can never ever make them better. There is no improvement without criticizing the wrongs and i
support Haris's views. If we don't do it today, our children can go through the same situation.
So let's make our country a better place before another great migration takes place.
Abdullah Tariq
39th Entry41st entry
User ID: 8931733Jul 2nd 3:15 PM
I think what these is right because you people have not faced the reality....It is a tale of not just a few but many hopeless abdalians who can't really do anything about it.and you can not imagine the intensity of the mental torture which the cadets recieve.And i dont know why is it this way; i mean his behavior,
well what ever it is sometheing should be done about it.
I dont want to remind of the list of incidents which I have experienced with Mr. ABID. because I dont want to remind them.I can also tell the stories of many other who have been a prey of him.
May GOD Bless Him.................................................................................................
Usman J/39th
User ID: 0471064Jul 2nd 10:16 PM
MY dear entry mates...
After reading some of the experiences,, i must say that if those had happened to me, i probably wud b hating him as much as haris hates him,,, and i do agree that he was very very unfair to some of them,,, and dont get me wrong here,,, i was merely mentioning my side of the story,, as nothing bad was done to me by mr abid,, i cant call him bad. But yes,,, i,ve seen him treat some ppl really badly,,, but here again i wud like to say that it was not all mister abids fault,,, some of the blame goes to us cadets too,,, for thinking of him as a nightmare or some ghost. I think mister abid had a flaw in him where , when he knew someone was really scared or afraid of him, he wud take unfair advantage of that and tried to mentally n physically torture those cadets. Haris is a classic example. I might be wrong, but i reckon the reason why mister abid never mistreated me was because i knew he was a human being , and just a teacher, I kept my distance, and also never really thought of him as anything more than a normal teacher,, so wenever i was dealing with him, i always acted normal, as if i,m tlkain to another human being, not as if i,m in front of some dummy God. And trust me guys,, i think that was the only difference.. U act normal and dont give him too much importance,,, keep him at a level where he belongs, and theres no way he can torture u,,, thats my experience,,,
There was one incident which i seriously cannot even remember wat exactly was it that i did,, but i dunno, i did something, and mister abid called me to his office n told me that this n this had happened n he was very mad about it,,, and then he told me to go away n come after dinner,,, this was his classic tactic of torturing ppl,,,,,, but i didnt take it as a torture,, i went after dinner and he said i,ll see u after the prep, trying to add more tension,,, but i knew he does that to every1,, and he was hoping i,d b really scared n thinking what might happen,,, but i was cool about it,,, cos i knew wat i did wasnt that big of a deal, so i went after prep,,, n he tells me to stay outside cos he was busy doing something,,, i stayed outside for about 20 25 minutes while he was pretending to look busy. then he called me in. and told me,,, i,m sending ur parents a written warning regarding ur behaviour. I was a bit shocked cos the matter was really very small,,, but this is wat i want u guys to see that it was his negative tactics,,, well i was shocked but not because a written warning was being sent,, but because it sounded pretty silly,,, and i smilingly told him,, sir watever i,ve done wasnt very good, so i apologise, but i dont think theres a need for sending a written warning anywhere. He started me in the eyes for a few seconds and told me to come tommorow,,, and the next day he said he was giving me another chance because i said i was sorry and wudnt do it again. and thats about it..
thats probably the closest i,ve gotten to being tortured by him,,, so wat my point is,, dont do anything stupid,, if u do,,, dont get caught! .. and if u get caught, act normal. but i really dont have the answer to wat happened to haris,,, if that all was done to me,,, i,d probably b hating him as much as haris does right now. khair,,
ah and one more thing,,, about jamil academy and my friends for multan and other nearby suburbs, i totally agree,,, they were mistreated by mister abid, and principal,, and for that i truly hate them both,, specially shah babur.. and there were many examples,,, 38th entry cadet captain,,, and mind u ppl,, there was one right in our own wing,, i think gardezi was waaaaayyy more deserving than any other for the appointments,, after monam, that is. So yeah i find that bit very unfair,,
khair,, take care all
and haris,,, try n get on with ur life..
for a positive,, think of all the nice n funny things that happened,,, and the moments we all shared together for 5 yrs.
Allah hafiz.
Usman Khan.Omar Malik J/39
User ID: 3131844Jul 3rd 1:09 AM
Its great to hear from you Abdullah how r u doing man?
Please dont get turned on we all know what u r like when you get turned on :))
Anyways getting back to the issue at hand
dearest haris you obviously are very emotional about this Mr Abid and rightly so you were mistreated the most by him. But please try to get over it. Because thats the sensible thing to do. You said he dint let you perform to your pottential during your cadet life. Well do you want him to hold you back all your life, because thats what is going to happen if you don't let go. What about the belting and beatings that our seniors used to give us. Waking us up in the middle of the night and making us polish the wing galleries. If you ask me thats pretty near to abuse too. But nobody's complaining about that because its a part of cadet life. I am sure that children at some government schools receive far more beatings then the ones Mr Abid gave you but still it doesn't mean that no one from government schools goes on to have a good career. The reason they do go on to have good careers is because they learn to LET GO. Thats the key word here let go.
And if even after 4 years you have not been able to let go and still as you say have nightmares about him then perhaps the place for you to go is not a court of law but a pshycatrist's office
As for saving the lives of other innocent cadets, i think kamran is right the issue should be raised at the reunion. Because that is the place to raise this issue. If there is any proof behind that news item of Mr Abid raping a woman then that should be the end of his teaching career.
And perhaps it is also time for Mr Shah Babar to go otherwise only God knows how many more Cadets from multan will be targeted.
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