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HARIS - J/39
User ID: 2107894 Jun 29th 1:16 PM
HELLO ALL DEAR ABDALIANS, DO U THINK MR YAQOOB ABID CHAUDHRY DESERVE TO BE THE D.V.P. OF OUR COLLEGE.WELL, I SHALL LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU THINK WHETHER HE DESERVED TO BE EVEN A TEACHER AT OUR DEAR COLLEGE.AND WAS HE NOT A SOURCE OF CONSTANT MENTAL AND SOMETIMES PHYSICAL TORTURE TO THE STUDENTS? THOSE WHO RESIDED IN JINNAH WING WHEN HE WAS THEIR HOUSEMASTER CAN ALSO PUT SOME LIGHT ON HIS ABILITIES AS A HOUSEMASTER. SO, MY DEAR ABDALIANS , I NEED UR FEEDBACK ON THE ACADEMIC, ADMINISTRATIVE AND MANLIKE ABILITIES OF MR.YAQUB ABID CHAUDHRY.YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THE SUBJECT BY RELATING TO YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH HIM.

THOSE WHO MANAGE THIS SITE ARE REQUESTED NOT TO DELETE THIS TOPIC FROM THIS SITE FOR THE SAKE OF EXPRESSION OF EMOTIONS OF US,THE OLD ABDALIANS.

HUSSAM MASOOD 39/J Nov 9th 8:34 AM
HI GUYS, I never visited these Abdalian sites before. Today, outta nowhere, I just typed "Cadet College Hassan Abdal" in yahoo search engine, and then getting on link by link, here I m. I wd. 've never stopped here for long, but the thing that worked as an emergency break for me, was this topic,"Mr Abid as DVP or VP of this institution".
Well, let me introduce myself. I m HUSSAM MURAD MASOOD, from 39th entry jinnah wing. but i stayed in that college for only 3 initial years.. till i passed Matric. so basically, i stayed in that wing, which i infact like to remember as the territory of a manipulative administrator, for the time, when Mr. Abid was there. I read the message of one of my entry mate, mansoor(which i wd. rather call a speech infact) and i was really impressed only by his debating skills, and that has been his natural talent from the biginning anyways, but he was way too far from the innocent and emotional feelings of a cadet aged between 13 to 19 years old. Not every cadet is mentally that mature as u were, when u started there my friend. If we start a debate about it, that what Mr. Abid did, in context to what, it needs almost a whole night and still we wn't be finished. I totally agree with one of the points that Usman Khan made here in this forum, that, those young cadets, took him as some supersticious thing, during their stay over there, and probably i was one of them too... All my entry mates r not probably fully aware of the fact that, my reason of leaving cadet college was Mr. Abid, though he was not our house master anymore during my last few months, but... the 2 and half year long injustices and a strange kind of mental torture, which is one of the God gifted talents that Mr Abid has, could never slip away from my mind. i m more sympethetic to Haris, caz i know that i realized pretty soon that, the confidence that i had lost in myself, wd. never be gained again, staying at the same place... i needed a change, that could help me construct myself. And haris had to bare with it till the end over there. And i m so grateful to God, and pleased to say that, that change, brought out the sides of mine, which i, myself wasn't aware of. I learnt the same thing that Usman mentioned about not taking a manipulative minded teacher as god or something, in Govt. College Lahore rahter than Hassan Abdal. I agree that that, if Usman could learn this while he was in Hassan Abdal, why couldn't I???? well as i said, when we start at CCH, all cadets r not at the same mental caliber plus one more thing that we r forgetting here is, that.. the Most likely victims of Mr. Abids mental torture r the cadets, whose parents r not constantly in touch with him. He likes to know the insides of a Cadets family infrastructure, which a cadet has a full right to keep it reserved. well... to cut a long story short, Mr. Abid, from any side, doesnot deserve to be at those prestigious seats, that has been jeweled sometimes with the presence of karismatic persoanlities like Mr. Mahfooz & Mr. Saleemi. I wd. surely like to see Mr. Mahfooz as the Principle of this college and that wd. be the one more lovable side of our College.
At the end, i feel concerned and sorry about all my unseen juniors, who r currently studying in CCH, and i m sure, that there must be few Haris Iqbals there right now in the college, who can read this, but there right to speak is not there.. becaz, thats one thing that we lack in our college, FREEDOME OF SPEECH. Lets not try to cover it with the so called aruguements of respect to teachers... don't mix it up. Criticizing someone doesn't mean to disrespect someone. Thats the dilemma of our whole nation infact. And, if we don't have this right in our basic instituions like CCH, how can we expect it to be the part of our society and nation.
oh yeah... if someone needs to conatct me... my email is.. hussaam1@aol.com and i m currently in New Jersey, USA.
HUSSAM MURAD MASOOD 39th/JINNAH WING

Arif Khan
User ID: 2386864 Nov 18th 8:45 AM
Dear Haris,

You are talking whwther Mr. Abid Chaudhry should be the D.V.P or not? He is V.P now.

Arif Khan. (31/H Kit No. 3187)

M.SHAHID RASOOL 39/H
User ID: 9418933 Nov 19th 12:34 PM
hi,
dear frndz.
first of all i wld like 2 congratulate mansoor 4 his gr8. distinction .v well mansoor .wishin u all the best 4 bright future.
i do agree with ur thinkin.same there also as u commented abt sarfraz's topic.though he had a nice topic 4 discussion havin conflict in hiz mind that must b continued by positive approach.
this shows u r 2 much busy there so that u cld't reply.but ur most welcom here at nfc instt. of engg.& tech. multan. i m here in final proff. of chem .engg.
now i come 2 topic ,i think its not surprisin 4 me 2 c all this discussion here bcoz whtsoever u comment here no1 is goin 2 help u any way.abt mr.abid ch. all of us know well. he has com 2 this post by virtue of hiz own struggle.he z now there the senior most .n hez also capable of performin this job.so let him do it.GOD bless him.
cch will remain as cch .traditionz will b equally followed as we had.so i wld like 2 suggest dear haris yara do remember sweet memories of mr. y . a . ch.:).chahy woh principle hi kyoon na bun jaay.

Dr Safdar Mahmood Nov 21st 2:07 AM
Dear friends,

Mahfooz sahib should have retired three years back as the vice principal, but Mr Shah Babur a very influencial man was able to extend
Mahfooz sahib service, not only as a teacher but also as the VP by convincing the board.

According to the college rule book, a staff member on extention can not hold any administrative post.

All this time there was hue and cry amongst the
senior staff members of the college, who beleived that Mr Shah Babur was being unfair and even though keeping in mind their seniority and services to the college they were being denied of their basic right.

As Mr Shah Babur is retiring in august 2002, he had to make Abid sahib the vice principal as he had no other choice.If someone junior to abid sahib was not made the vp that would have raised more controvercies.

Since the removal of Abid sahib as the house master of jinnah wing, Mr Shah Babur has never shared a healthy relationship with Abid sahib. Maybe on paper they did but in reality they never.

I did have the chance to meet Abid sahib personally and when i congratulated him it didnt long for him to make it clear to me that he deserved this post since long time back.

When i told Mr Shah Babur about the comments made by Abid Sahib, his reply was " Kuch cheezoon kae liyae intezar karna parta hae."

To be honest, Abid sahib did deserve the post of Dvp and now vp. If including me, haris and so many others have had problems with him, wont change anthing.

These are the issues wich should be raised on different forums. But i feel that only those forums are successful where if allegations are made against one side the other side should come up with reasons to refute those allegations or they should come up with their side of the story.

About Haris, all i would say is that you are a very brave young man.Atleast you had the courage to come on this forum an express yourself. But there are few things which need to be accepted as the events of the past. Well which i understand is very difficult to do.

HARIS - j/39 Nov 22nd 11:27 AM
dear dr.safsar mahmood,
i thank u really from the core of my heart for understanding my messages and giving me some compliments.your message is the most understanding one that i have come across under this topic.
i thank u again bhaijan.
i have accepted those things as the events of the past and it was really difficult to do so.all i was worried about was that "will these things be repeated to some other young cadet?"
i thank u again bhaijan for ur really understanding message.

Syed Asim Raza Rizvi
User ID: 6960173 Nov 26th 12:59 AM
Dear Haris ,

Yes he should be the principal too. Because, here our environment is so that if a person comes to one place then he hardly quits its seat until and unless he is removed from that place.

Then, I think so let him stay there because in practical life, one has to face a number of persons and I think the positive aspect of being the person we are discussing is not too bad because he as a teacher trains us to face such persons. I have learnt a lot from 2 persons; one from Mr. Y A Chaudhry and the other one was Ustad Hav. Ganwar.

As you are in practical life and can feel the frequency of the persons coming in to your life, of course you learn from him/her or teach something to him/her.

Best of luck to you always.

Your brother,

Asim Raza (H/35 Kit num. 3631)

Shah / 35
User ID: 0561484 Feb 18th 5:31 PM
Does anyone know what his Email ID is?

Nasir Munir
User ID: 0352454 Mar 31st 8:45 AM
....that came as a shock, specially when that comes to your near and dear one. Haris, you should have told me, perhaps life could have been easier for you during your stay at CCH. Just to let you all know that I am Nasir; cousin of Haris and Saqib. I am not a staunch supporter of sending your kids to a place like CCH under the circumstances when I used to be there. I am not sure, how is it going for now......
Well, Haris as Saqib said......move on. I am not asking you to forget those ugly incidences, ofcourse you cannot.....but take that in stride, perhaps that has made you strong as of now ; and I don't doubt that.
When I was there, I used to hate those ragras and zyadityaans a lot.......:), and perhaps I still do....but I guess that teaches you a lot to deal ably with such situations most of the time in your life......surely, that makes you strong as you were then and now.....:)
Sending you love, happiness and prayers...God bless you.

Nasir Munir
User ID: 0352454 Mar 31st 8:50 AM
.......and most importantly....learn to forgive.......personally it is always hard for me to forgive, but I have heard and I believe, it is a great virtue....:)

Saqib H/35
User ID: 9356783 Jul 24th 8:48 AM
Well said Nasir Bhai. Mashallah Haris is doing great in his life. He does not share his feelings with anyone and he has shown a lot of courage to write all this in a public forum. He is a great individual and i am really proud of him. I have gone through all the discussion and i believe that most of his entry-mates are also very intelligent, smart and caring. He is lucky to have such friends.

iqbal Dec 14th 11:57 AM
huh!

shahid Dec 15th 10:06 AM
Do u remember what the manzoor brats did to him and Shah Babur sahab? i think he's a gentleman, may be tough on cadets but still a good person at heart. Read the other posts about QAISAR MANZOOR, then you will know the whole story and the charcter of the mazoor brataraans.

SAFDAR Dec 15th 10:24 AM
Shahaid, is this the same Qaisar MAnzoor who wants to bribe his opinion? read his post from this very discussion from JUL 10th :
"I hopefully be in Pakistan during the reunion & request all of u to show up & make ur vote count. If we do succeed in selecting a favorable candidate who I think is a better man for the job then my family would donate half a million rupees to the association over the next 5 years."

Who are you people listning to? look at his own situation first, there is another post on this forum about he wanting a 3rd wife, so believe and act accordingly.

Dr. Shahnawaz Jan 14th 7:09 AM
Safdar where are u located

Dr. Shahnawaz Jan 14th 7:10 AM
Safdar where are u located

Shahnawaz Feb 22nd 8:15 AM
I think Mr. Abid is well suited to be not only DVP but also VP the post he currently holds. I think he is very well qualified to be the principal. He is a teacher & a hard working one, who deserves a lot of respect. I would suggest we should honour his long service to CCH.

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HARIS - J/39 User ID: 2107894	Jun 29th 1:16 PM HELLO ALL DEAR ABDALIANS, DO U THINK MR YAQOOB ABID CHAUDHRY DESERVE TO BE THE D.V.P. OF OUR COLLEGE.WELL, I SHALL LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU THINK WHETHER HE DESERVED TO BE EVEN A TEACHER AT OUR DEAR COLLEGE.AND WAS HE NOT A SOURCE OF CONSTANT MENTAL AND SOMETIMES PHYSICAL TORTURE TO THE STUDENTS? THOSE WHO RESIDED IN JINNAH WING WHEN HE WAS THEIR HOUSEMASTER CAN ALSO PUT SOME LIGHT ON HIS ABILITIES AS A HOUSEMASTER. SO, MY DEAR ABDALIANS , I NEED UR FEEDBACK ON THE ACADEMIC, ADMINISTRATIVE AND MANLIKE ABILITIES OF MR.YAQUB ABID CHAUDHRY.YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THE SUBJECT BY RELATING TO YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH HIM. THOSE WHO MANAGE THIS SITE ARE REQUESTED NOT TO DELETE THIS TOPIC FROM THIS SITE FOR THE SAKE OF EXPRESSION OF EMOTIONS OF US,THE OLD ABDALIANS.
HUSSAM MASOOD 39/J	Nov 9th 8:34 AM HI GUYS, I never visited these Abdalian sites before. Today, outta nowhere, I just typed "Cadet College Hassan Abdal" in yahoo search engine, and then getting on link by link, here I m. I wd. 've never stopped here for long, but the thing that worked as an emergency break for me, was this topic,"Mr Abid as DVP or VP of this institution". Well, let me introduce myself. I m HUSSAM MURAD MASOOD, from 39th entry jinnah wing. but i stayed in that college for only 3 initial years.. till i passed Matric. so basically, i stayed in that wing, which i infact like to remember as the territory of a manipulative administrator, for the time, when Mr. Abid was there. I read the message of one of my entry mate, mansoor(which i wd. rather call a speech infact) and i was really impressed only by his debating skills, and that has been his natural talent from the biginning anyways, but he was way too far from the innocent and emotional feelings of a cadet aged between 13 to 19 years old. Not every cadet is mentally that mature as u were, when u started there my friend. If we start a debate about it, that what Mr. Abid did, in context to what, it needs almost a whole night and still we wn't be finished. I totally agree with one of the points that Usman Khan made here in this forum, that, those young cadets, took him as some supersticious thing, during their stay over there, and probably i was one of them too... All my entry mates r not probably fully aware of the fact that, my reason of leaving cadet college was Mr. Abid, though he was not our house master anymore during my last few months, but... the 2 and half year long injustices and a strange kind of mental torture, which is one of the God gifted talents that Mr Abid has, could never slip away from my mind. i m more sympethetic to Haris, caz i know that i realized pretty soon that, the confidence that i had lost in myself, wd. never be gained again, staying at the same place... i needed a change, that could help me construct myself. And haris had to bare with it till the end over there. And i m so grateful to God, and pleased to say that, that change, brought out the sides of mine, which i, myself wasn't aware of. I learnt the same thing that Usman mentioned about not taking a manipulative minded teacher as god or something, in Govt. College Lahore rahter than Hassan Abdal. I agree that that, if Usman could learn this while he was in Hassan Abdal, why couldn't I???? well as i said, when we start at CCH, all cadets r not at the same mental caliber plus one more thing that we r forgetting here is, that.. the Most likely victims of Mr. Abids mental torture r the cadets, whose parents r not constantly in touch with him. He likes to know the insides of a Cadets family infrastructure, which a cadet has a full right to keep it reserved. well... to cut a long story short, Mr. Abid, from any side, doesnot deserve to be at those prestigious seats, that has been jeweled sometimes with the presence of karismatic persoanlities like Mr. Mahfooz & Mr. Saleemi. I wd. surely like to see Mr. Mahfooz as the Principle of this college and that wd. be the one more lovable side of our College. At the end, i feel concerned and sorry about all my unseen juniors, who r currently studying in CCH, and i m sure, that there must be few Haris Iqbals there right now in the college, who can read this, but there right to speak is not there.. becaz, thats one thing that we lack in our college, FREEDOME OF SPEECH. Lets not try to cover it with the so called aruguements of respect to teachers... don't mix it up. Criticizing someone doesn't mean to disrespect someone. Thats the dilemma of our whole nation infact. And, if we don't have this right in our basic instituions like CCH, how can we expect it to be the part of our society and nation. oh yeah... if someone needs to conatct me... my email is.. hussaam1@aol.com and i m currently in New Jersey, USA. HUSSAM MURAD MASOOD 39th/JINNAH WING
Arif Khan User ID: 2386864	Nov 18th 8:45 AM Dear Haris, You are talking whwther Mr. Abid Chaudhry should be the D.V.P or not? He is V.P now. Arif Khan. (31/H Kit No. 3187)
M.SHAHID RASOOL 39/H User ID: 9418933	Nov 19th 12:34 PM hi, dear frndz. first of all i wld like 2 congratulate mansoor 4 his gr8. distinction .v well mansoor .wishin u all the best 4 bright future. i do agree with ur thinkin.same there also as u commented abt sarfraz's topic.though he had a nice topic 4 discussion havin conflict in hiz mind that must b continued by positive approach. this shows u r 2 much busy there so that u cld't reply.but ur most welcom here at nfc instt. of engg.& tech. multan. i m here in final proff. of chem .engg. now i come 2 topic ,i think its not surprisin 4 me 2 c all this discussion here bcoz whtsoever u comment here no1 is goin 2 help u any way.abt mr.abid ch. all of us know well. he has com 2 this post by virtue of hiz own struggle.he z now there the senior most .n hez also capable of performin this job.so let him do it.GOD bless him. cch will remain as cch .traditionz will b equally followed as we had.so i wld like 2 suggest dear haris yara do remember sweet memories of mr. y . a . ch.:).chahy woh principle hi kyoon na bun jaay.
Dr Safdar Mahmood	Nov 21st 2:07 AM Dear friends, Mahfooz sahib should have retired three years back as the vice principal, but Mr Shah Babur a very influencial man was able to extend Mahfooz sahib service, not only as a teacher but also as the VP by convincing the board. According to the college rule book, a staff member on extention can not hold any administrative post. All this time there was hue and cry amongst the senior staff members of the college, who beleived that Mr Shah Babur was being unfair and even though keeping in mind their seniority and services to the college they were being denied of their basic right. As Mr Shah Babur is retiring in august 2002, he had to make Abid sahib the vice principal as he had no other choice.If someone junior to abid sahib was not made the vp that would have raised more controvercies. Since the removal of Abid sahib as the house master of jinnah wing, Mr Shah Babur has never shared a healthy relationship with Abid sahib. Maybe on paper they did but in reality they never. I did have the chance to meet Abid sahib personally and when i congratulated him it didnt long for him to make it clear to me that he deserved this post since long time back. When i told Mr Shah Babur about the comments made by Abid Sahib, his reply was " Kuch cheezoon kae liyae intezar karna parta hae." To be honest, Abid sahib did deserve the post of Dvp and now vp. If including me, haris and so many others have had problems with him, wont change anthing. These are the issues wich should be raised on different forums. But i feel that only those forums are successful where if allegations are made against one side the other side should come up with reasons to refute those allegations or they should come up with their side of the story. About Haris, all i would say is that you are a very brave young man.Atleast you had the courage to come on this forum an express yourself. But there are few things which need to be accepted as the events of the past. Well which i understand is very difficult to do.
HARIS - j/39	Nov 22nd 11:27 AM dear dr.safsar mahmood, i thank u really from the core of my heart for understanding my messages and giving me some compliments.your message is the most understanding one that i have come across under this topic. i thank u again bhaijan. i have accepted those things as the events of the past and it was really difficult to do so.all i was worried about was that "will these things be repeated to some other young cadet?" i thank u again bhaijan for ur really understanding message.
Syed Asim Raza Rizvi User ID: 6960173	Nov 26th 12:59 AM Dear Haris , Yes he should be the principal too. Because, here our environment is so that if a person comes to one place then he hardly quits its seat until and unless he is removed from that place. Then, I think so let him stay there because in practical life, one has to face a number of persons and I think the positive aspect of being the person we are discussing is not too bad because he as a teacher trains us to face such persons. I have learnt a lot from 2 persons; one from Mr. Y A Chaudhry and the other one was Ustad Hav. Ganwar. As you are in practical life and can feel the frequency of the persons coming in to your life, of course you learn from him/her or teach something to him/her. Best of luck to you always. Your brother, Asim Raza (H/35 Kit num. 3631)
Shah / 35 User ID: 0561484	Feb 18th 5:31 PM Does anyone know what his Email ID is?
Nasir Munir User ID: 0352454	Mar 31st 8:45 AM ....that came as a shock, specially when that comes to your near and dear one. Haris, you should have told me, perhaps life could have been easier for you during your stay at CCH. Just to let you all know that I am Nasir; cousin of Haris and Saqib. I am not a staunch supporter of sending your kids to a place like CCH under the circumstances when I used to be there. I am not sure, how is it going for now...... Well, Haris as Saqib said......move on. I am not asking you to forget those ugly incidences, ofcourse you cannot.....but take that in stride, perhaps that has made you strong as of now ; and I don't doubt that. When I was there, I used to hate those ragras and zyadityaans a lot.......:), and perhaps I still do....but I guess that teaches you a lot to deal ably with such situations most of the time in your life......surely, that makes you strong as you were then and now.....:) Sending you love, happiness and prayers...God bless you.
Nasir Munir User ID: 0352454	Mar 31st 8:50 AM .......and most importantly....learn to forgive.......personally it is always hard for me to forgive, but I have heard and I believe, it is a great virtue....:)
Saqib H/35 User ID: 9356783	Jul 24th 8:48 AM Well said Nasir Bhai. Mashallah Haris is doing great in his life. He does not share his feelings with anyone and he has shown a lot of courage to write all this in a public forum. He is a great individual and i am really proud of him. I have gone through all the discussion and i believe that most of his entry-mates are also very intelligent, smart and caring. He is lucky to have such friends.
iqbal	Dec 14th 11:57 AM huh!
shahid	Dec 15th 10:06 AM Do u remember what the manzoor brats did to him and Shah Babur sahab? i think he's a gentleman, may be tough on cadets but still a good person at heart. Read the other posts about QAISAR MANZOOR, then you will know the whole story and the charcter of the mazoor brataraans.
SAFDAR	Dec 15th 10:24 AM Shahaid, is this the same Qaisar MAnzoor who wants to bribe his opinion? read his post from this very discussion from JUL 10th : "I hopefully be in Pakistan during the reunion & request all of u to show up & make ur vote count. If we do succeed in selecting a favorable candidate who I think is a better man for the job then my family would donate half a million rupees to the association over the next 5 years." Who are you people listning to? look at his own situation first, there is another post on this forum about he wanting a 3rd wife, so believe and act accordingly.
Dr. Shahnawaz	Jan 14th 7:09 AM Safdar where are u located
Dr. Shahnawaz	Jan 14th 7:10 AM Safdar where are u located
Shahnawaz	Feb 22nd 8:15 AM I think Mr. Abid is well suited to be not only DVP but also VP the post he currently holds. I think he is very well qualified to be the principal. He is a teacher & a hard working one, who deserves a lot of respect. I would suggest we should honour his long service to CCH.
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