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C Melody Saxophone Forum / C-Tenor (C-Melody) Saxophones / You guys have to see this!

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Dec 31st 1:52 PM
A Buescher catalog from 1923; "The Story of the Saxophone", showing the complete line of saxophones and a full page on the C-melody. Great reading!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160194694982&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

alan (uk)
User ID: 1731514 Dec 31st 2:31 PM
Hmm - even tells how far to push the mouthpiece onto the cork ! Thanks, soybean.

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Jan 1st 2:55 PM
(2008!) I didn't notice the bit about pushing in the mouthpiece. Interesting.

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Jan 1st 3:02 PM
(2008!) After looking again at the lessons page, it's interesting that they start the student out with a descending scale. Most music instruction in the western world starts students out with ascending scale (do-re-me…).

ukebert
User ID: 1300074 Jan 1st 3:10 PM
Ooh, tempting. Would be lovely to have.

alan (uk)
User ID: 1731514 Jan 1st 3:55 PM
I'm so tempted I'm bidding. Shows a whole different attitude than today. For example from the Bb Tenor Sax page (quote)

" ..The Tenor Saxophone is an excellent substitute for Cello. To play the cello part it is best to read bass clef, and then the Saxophone is treated as a "C" instrument.......If you are adept at early transposition, you can play treble clef, reading three tones higher........It is an easy matter to learn bass clef fingering, and it is advisable to familiarise yourself with tenor clef also...."

Ok, yeah, got all that... Brings back horrible memories from my youth of a variety of different clefs, including a convenient (?) 'movable' one, not just the two we use today. Shudder...

Eric
User ID: 0791694 Jan 2nd 5:11 AM
That advice is pretty similar to Ben Vereecken's in "Foundation to Saxophone Playing"- excellent book which helped me more than the modern band method I started with.

jazzbug1 2008
User ID: 0735934 Jan 2nd 7:19 AM
Wow! I lust after this, but won't bid on it in deference to you who want this. Good luck. Hope it goes reasonably (I'm guessing $50.00). Sure looks like me in several of those photos.

alan (uk)
User ID: 1731514 Jan 2nd 9:01 AM
jb1 - bid away if you wish - if I don't get it I beg the buyer for a decent scan of the C-mel and (if it has one) the C-Sop page, to publish on the website.

If I get it I'll probably just publish it all on the website - so please bid away and save me some money.

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Jan 2nd 3:53 PM
I won't be bidding. Hope you get it, Alan.

ukebert
User ID: 1300074 Jan 4th 2:06 PM
Do you mean Alto and Tenor clefs Alan?

Good luck with the auction.

alan (uk)
User ID: 1731514 Jan 6th 9:24 PM
Well past $60, think I'll probably pass...

Yes, ukebert, there is some useful info on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef

Mal-2k8
User ID: 9335603 Feb 9th 6:06 PM
" ..The Tenor Saxophone is an excellent substitute for Cello. To play the cello part it is best to read bass clef, and then the Saxophone is treated as a "C" instrument.......If you are adept at early transposition, you can play treble clef, reading three tones higher........It is an easy matter to learn bass clef fingering, and it is advisable to familiarise yourself with tenor clef also...."

Substitute either "Bari" for "Tenor", and the bass clef trick works nicely, especially if you have a low A (since that matches the cello's low C -- the very reason it was put on the horn in the first place).

With a tenor, you can do the same trick on parts in tenor clef. With a C-mel, all you have to do is read the clef in question and play it. Of course I am not fluent in tenor clef, nor alto clef, as far as sight-reading goes. Playing orchestral string parts is not something I ever got into too deeply. The whole-step transposition up or down is something I'm fairly well used to though, from reading flute parts on clarinet or vice versa, or Eb horn parts on F horn, etc.

bruce bailey 2008
User ID: 9690803 Feb 10th 12:32 AM
I like using a Bari or alto and reading bass clef. Just add 3#s or remove 3bs and treat it as treble clef. There are some notes that don't fall just right but it is a start. Flats are sometimes naturals, naturals sharps!

alan (uk) '08
User ID: 1731514 Feb 10th 11:14 AM
H - thanks bruce - you found the thread I lost....

The lady who sold "A Buescher catalog from 1923; 'The Story of the Saxophone', showing the complete line of saxophones and a full page on the C-melody."

- was kind enough, after I lost the bidding, to scan the entire document and email it to me (I only asked for the C0-Mel and C-Sop pages...)

It will be on the website shortly, but is anyone needs a specific page before that, let me know. No requests for "All of it !", as my personal bandwidth is limited and precious (whereas the website's is not...)

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Yes Bruce, I often do that, or conversely, if ever I need to play anything written in the bass clef, I pick up alto.

soybean User ID: 0401124	Dec 31st 1:52 PM A Buescher catalog from 1923; "The Story of the Saxophone", showing the complete line of saxophones and a full page on the C-melody. Great reading! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160194694982&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
alan (uk) User ID: 1731514	Dec 31st 2:31 PM Hmm - even tells how far to push the mouthpiece onto the cork ! Thanks, soybean.
soybean User ID: 0401124	Jan 1st 2:55 PM (2008!) I didn't notice the bit about pushing in the mouthpiece. Interesting.
soybean User ID: 0401124	Jan 1st 3:02 PM (2008!) After looking again at the lessons page, it's interesting that they start the student out with a descending scale. Most music instruction in the western world starts students out with ascending scale (do-re-me…).
ukebert User ID: 1300074	Jan 1st 3:10 PM Ooh, tempting. Would be lovely to have.
alan (uk) User ID: 1731514	Jan 1st 3:55 PM I'm so tempted I'm bidding. Shows a whole different attitude than today. For example from the Bb Tenor Sax page (quote) " ..The Tenor Saxophone is an excellent substitute for Cello. To play the cello part it is best to read bass clef, and then the Saxophone is treated as a "C" instrument.......If you are adept at early transposition, you can play treble clef, reading three tones higher........It is an easy matter to learn bass clef fingering, and it is advisable to familiarise yourself with tenor clef also...." Ok, yeah, got all that... Brings back horrible memories from my youth of a variety of different clefs, including a convenient (?) 'movable' one, not just the two we use today. Shudder...
Eric User ID: 0791694	Jan 2nd 5:11 AM That advice is pretty similar to Ben Vereecken's in "Foundation to Saxophone Playing"- excellent book which helped me more than the modern band method I started with.
jazzbug1 2008 User ID: 0735934	Jan 2nd 7:19 AM Wow! I lust after this, but won't bid on it in deference to you who want this. Good luck. Hope it goes reasonably (I'm guessing $50.00). Sure looks like me in several of those photos.
alan (uk) User ID: 1731514	Jan 2nd 9:01 AM jb1 - bid away if you wish - if I don't get it I beg the buyer for a decent scan of the C-mel and (if it has one) the C-Sop page, to publish on the website. If I get it I'll probably just publish it all on the website - so please bid away and save me some money.
soybean User ID: 0401124	Jan 2nd 3:53 PM I won't be bidding. Hope you get it, Alan.
ukebert User ID: 1300074	Jan 4th 2:06 PM Do you mean Alto and Tenor clefs Alan? Good luck with the auction.
alan (uk) User ID: 1731514	Jan 6th 9:24 PM Well past $60, think I'll probably pass... Yes, ukebert, there is some useful info on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef
Mal-2k8 User ID: 9335603	Feb 9th 6:06 PM " ..The Tenor Saxophone is an excellent substitute for Cello. To play the cello part it is best to read bass clef, and then the Saxophone is treated as a "C" instrument.......If you are adept at early transposition, you can play treble clef, reading three tones higher........It is an easy matter to learn bass clef fingering, and it is advisable to familiarise yourself with tenor clef also...." Substitute either "Bari" for "Tenor", and the bass clef trick works nicely, especially if you have a low A (since that matches the cello's low C -- the very reason it was put on the horn in the first place). With a tenor, you can do the same trick on parts in tenor clef. With a C-mel, all you have to do is read the clef in question and play it. Of course I am not fluent in tenor clef, nor alto clef, as far as sight-reading goes. Playing orchestral string parts is not something I ever got into too deeply. The whole-step transposition up or down is something I'm fairly well used to though, from reading flute parts on clarinet or vice versa, or Eb horn parts on F horn, etc.
bruce bailey 2008 User ID: 9690803	Feb 10th 12:32 AM I like using a Bari or alto and reading bass clef. Just add 3#s or remove 3bs and treat it as treble clef. There are some notes that don't fall just right but it is a start. Flats are sometimes naturals, naturals sharps!
alan (uk) '08 User ID: 1731514	Feb 10th 11:14 AM H - thanks bruce - you found the thread I lost.... The lady who sold "A Buescher catalog from 1923; 'The Story of the Saxophone', showing the complete line of saxophones and a full page on the C-melody." - was kind enough, after I lost the bidding, to scan the entire document and email it to me (I only asked for the C0-Mel and C-Sop pages...) It will be on the website shortly, but is anyone needs a specific page before that, let me know. No requests for "All of it !", as my personal bandwidth is limited and precious (whereas the website's is not...) =========== Yes Bruce, I often do that, or conversely, if ever I need to play anything written in the bass clef, I pick up alto.