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WW2
User ID: 8973393 Jul 11th 12:15 PM
You have read my complaints about lack of rain here in Southern California; but this is getting ridiculous!

Off the coast of Mexico we have a Tropical Storm that is doing its best to become a cyclone (hurricane). The usual results of this type of activity are that moisture spins off of the storm and heads into Southern California, Arizona and New Mexico (as well as Baja California and the Mexican Mainland) lowering temperatures and spawning rain and thunderstorms. This typically brings relief from the high temperatures and raises the humidity dramatically.

This storm has indeed tempered our temperatures. As of 10:00 AM the temperature is only 72F (22C) with humidity at 61%. Typical for this time of year it should be about 86F (30C) with humidity around 15%. So, this moisture and cloud cover is welcome.

However, our much needed rain is only given a 10% chance of happening. We are expecting DRY thunderstorms! Just what we need, lightning striking our very dry vegetation with no rain to stop or contain any ensuing fires. Well, I guess I should prepare for a long, smokey fire season.

If only we could take some of the European or Texan deluge and water thirsty Southern California!

Captain Beeflat
User ID: 1738604 Jul 17th 7:34 AM
Castaway...So kind; and I never thought that I would ever say that. :-)

jazzbug1
User ID: 0896204 Jul 17th 7:48 AM
This is due to pollution? The box for my name is now YELLOW instead of white. Has this happened to everyone on this site, or just US. members? I am puzzled. Are we becoming a "Urine Nation"?

ukebert
User ID: 0443584 Jul 17th 8:34 AM
It's the autofill function on the Google Toolbar.

ukebert
User ID: 0443584 Jul 17th 11:10 AM
So am I the only one who thinks that it is likely that Human-caused Global warming is a serious consideration?

alan (uk)
User ID: 0651814 Jul 17th 11:34 AM
No ukebert, I'm with you - just keeping my head down in the presence of such learned (pronounced "learn-ed") opinion.

Just when I've got it all sussed, someone pops up and says "no, it's not 'that gas', it's 'this gas', and anyway, 'a' has more effect than 'b'...." Yawn....

So, as life is too short for me to become an expert on global warming (or not, is there such a thing ?), I'll just do what I think is "my bit" and hope all the experts can agree long enough (and soon enough) to have some effect. Somehow I doubt it !

jazzbug1
User ID: 0896204 Jul 17th 12:40 PM
Since most of the world's glaciers are melting, global warming is a fact. I think the debate is: first, how quickly, and second, how much is mankind's contribution vs. nature's contribution.
A serious statement by JB1. Maybe Castaway should have started a thread for my serious statements. One or two contributions per year would be my goal.

Captain Beeflat
User ID: 1738604 Jul 17th 1:14 PM
Ukebert. Undeniably global warming is a problem...I only take issue with your opinion that it is "Human Caused".

alan (uk)
User ID: 0651814 Jul 17th 1:25 PM
Ah, global warming (and global cooling..) are pre-existing phenomena, and can just be natural cyclic conditions, so the glaciers could be melting as part of normal climatic changes. Don't forget, we've been thawing out since the Ice Age !

And the question is, as I see it, how much (or how quickly) is man depleting the ozone layer, accelerating probably a normal phenomena/cycle, and can we slow/stop it, or is it reversible... ?

I'll now just wait for someone to say "No Alan, you don't understand, that's not the..."

Captain Beeflat
User ID: 1738604 Jul 17th 1:38 PM
Owen.
When compared with the effect of:-

1/ That huge sump which we call the sea, which absorbs or exhales CO2, dependant upon ambient temperature, with a time hysteresis of about 60 years.
2/ Volcanoes belching incalculable out tons of CO2.
3/ Livestock, copiously releasing, from each end, CH4 which is over 25 times more efficient as a greenhouse gas. Just one cow can generate as much as the largest 4x4 in real terms.
It almost qualifies as conceit to think that our puny efforts come even close.
It is only a matter of time before "those who lecture us" will ban saxophones...just think of all the CO2 we generate when compared with gently breathing in and out. :-0

Castaway
User ID: 9182423 Jul 17th 1:52 PM
Bb: You are pretty learned. I'll give you that.

jazzbug1
User ID: 0896204 Jul 17th 3:17 PM
A word of caution for repair experts. I was using a hot glue gun to adhere saxophone pads in their cups and some of the glue fell to the floor, landing in spherically-shaped particles, which when I stepped on them, caused me to lose my footing and fall. Should the supplier of the product issue a "Glue Ball Warning"?

alan (uk)
User ID: 0651814 Jul 17th 3:50 PM
Probably Global Warming caused the melted glue to overheat slightly and become unstable ?

On second thoughts, maybe I should just say "sounds like a load of balls to me...." 8-))

alan (uk)
User ID: 0651814 Jul 17th 3:52 PM
Ah - just got the joke "Glue Ball", very good jb1, very good !

ukebert
User ID: 0443584 Jul 17th 4:11 PM
No Alan, you don't understand, it's not the Ozone layer, that's only filtering UV light, nothing to do with warming per se. It's a greenhouse gas "cushion" that we should be worried about, that traps heat from the sun and prevents it from radiating back off into space, meaning that we absorb more of the suns energy, causing a rise in temperatures.

Bb,

1) One of the great dangers invisaged by climate scientists is that if our temperature increases too much due to global warming, then the sea may, as you say release it's carbon store, which would of course be disastrous.
2) There aren't many active volcanoes around.
3) So if one cow = one car (or thereabouts, say 1.5 for the sake of argument), how many cows are there compared to cars, and how many of those cows are due to human farming practices, i.e. down to human effect?

alan (uk)
User ID: 0651814 Jul 17th 4:44 PM
ukebert, ah well, I said someone would pop up and say "No Alan, you don't understand...."

And you did. Now, I think of myself as reasonably intelligent and quite well informed, but I've obviously got it all wrong, so how can you (or anyone) expect the average 'bloke in the street' to have a f$!*ing clue about it, with all these confusing statements floating around ? I've heard 'experts' on TV use the "depleting the ozone layer" phrase to death, and now you say it doesn't matter ?

Please don't answer, I'm off to smoke my pipe, drink some scrumpy, and break wind in the garden, now it can't possibly harm anyone............ (and the garden is about the only bloody place I can smoke my pipe these days...)

WW2
User ID: 8973393 Jul 17th 5:48 PM
Do I believe that global warming is real? Yes.

Do I believe that it is caused solely by human activity? No, although the human contribution is significant.

Do I believe that it is caused solely by natural cyclical patterns? No, although the natural cyclical warming and cooling trend is significant.

Do I believe that I can have an impact on reversing this trend? Yes, but one part per 100,000,000,000 will be very difficult to verify or even measure.

Is global warming having an impact in my local area? Who knows, all I can say is that this last winter had the worst freeze of any winter since I moved into the local area in 1989. The last two summers have had longer periods of heat than previous years, but the record temperatures have only been challenged, not broken. Most important, rainfall for the last 21 years, and especially the last 10 years, has been lower than average. Having said that, we have also had one of the wettest years on record just a couple of years ago. Last year we only had 2.19 inches of rain (5.56cm)! So far this year we have had zero rain (okay, the season only started July 1st, but it has still been DRY!)

p.s. My name box is not yellow, it is still white.

Captain Beeflat
User ID: 1738604 Jul 18th 4:42 AM
Much of the problem/hype of global warming comes from two sources:-
Worldwide communication. We now instantly know what is happening on the other side of the world, whereas one hundred years ago we were unaware of what was happening in the next village.
Accuracy of measurement.
This cannot be over emphasised.
We always knew that when a butterfly landed on a bridge, the bridge bent...now we can measure it.
Specifically, with regard to your posting:-
The sea is now releasing it's store of CO2..see "measurement" above.
Volcanoes...How many do you need?

Cows are flatulent 24 hours a day whereas cars are, on average, driven for 1 hour/day.
I must admit however, that it does not seem a good idea to cut down the Earth's lungs (rain forest) and replace it with livestock... blame MacDonalds, they are always an easy target.
When you consider the vast, volatile, molten mass of the Earth's inner core, it has always amazed me that human life can exist so relatively close.
I still maintain that when levelled against these enormous natural forces, our contribution is negligible.
Some love to worry, yet worry, per se, never achieved anything.

jazzbug1
User ID: 0896204 Jul 18th 6:38 AM
Alan-- Thank you for the complement. I haven't heard "Very good, jb1" since my successful potty training. (a year ago)

alan (uk)
User ID: 0651814 Jul 18th 8:06 AM
jb1 - I'm on safer ground with 'potty training', than I am commenting about global warming.....

It always amazes me (to follow Beeflats lead) that we still exist, living on a molten core, fuelled by a molten Sun.

I'm sure some unplanned (and un-thought of) natural phenomena will one-day wipe us all out - another planet out of orbit maybe - long before we all get severely warmed up.....

By the way, if anyone wants to know about global warming, greenhouse gas and the like - try this Childrens 'News' link, even I can understand it...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/world/global_warming/newsid_2794000/2794907.stm

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WW2 User ID: 8973393	Jul 11th 12:15 PM You have read my complaints about lack of rain here in Southern California; but this is getting ridiculous! Off the coast of Mexico we have a Tropical Storm that is doing its best to become a cyclone (hurricane). The usual results of this type of activity are that moisture spins off of the storm and heads into Southern California, Arizona and New Mexico (as well as Baja California and the Mexican Mainland) lowering temperatures and spawning rain and thunderstorms. This typically brings relief from the high temperatures and raises the humidity dramatically. This storm has indeed tempered our temperatures. As of 10:00 AM the temperature is only 72F (22C) with humidity at 61%. Typical for this time of year it should be about 86F (30C) with humidity around 15%. So, this moisture and cloud cover is welcome. However, our much needed rain is only given a 10% chance of happening. We are expecting DRY thunderstorms! Just what we need, lightning striking our very dry vegetation with no rain to stop or contain any ensuing fires. Well, I guess I should prepare for a long, smokey fire season. If only we could take some of the European or Texan deluge and water thirsty Southern California!
Captain Beeflat User ID: 1738604	Jul 17th 7:34 AM Castaway...So kind; and I never thought that I would ever say that. :-)
jazzbug1 User ID: 0896204	Jul 17th 7:48 AM This is due to pollution? The box for my name is now YELLOW instead of white. Has this happened to everyone on this site, or just US. members? I am puzzled. Are we becoming a "Urine Nation"?
ukebert User ID: 0443584	Jul 17th 8:34 AM It's the autofill function on the Google Toolbar.
ukebert User ID: 0443584	Jul 17th 11:10 AM So am I the only one who thinks that it is likely that Human-caused Global warming is a serious consideration?
alan (uk) User ID: 0651814	Jul 17th 11:34 AM No ukebert, I'm with you - just keeping my head down in the presence of such learned (pronounced "learn-ed") opinion. Just when I've got it all sussed, someone pops up and says "no, it's not 'that gas', it's 'this gas', and anyway, 'a' has more effect than 'b'...." Yawn.... So, as life is too short for me to become an expert on global warming (or not, is there such a thing ?), I'll just do what I think is "my bit" and hope all the experts can agree long enough (and soon enough) to have some effect. Somehow I doubt it !
jazzbug1 User ID: 0896204	Jul 17th 12:40 PM Since most of the world's glaciers are melting, global warming is a fact. I think the debate is: first, how quickly, and second, how much is mankind's contribution vs. nature's contribution. A serious statement by JB1. Maybe Castaway should have started a thread for my serious statements. One or two contributions per year would be my goal.
Captain Beeflat User ID: 1738604	Jul 17th 1:14 PM Ukebert. Undeniably global warming is a problem...I only take issue with your opinion that it is "Human Caused".
alan (uk) User ID: 0651814	Jul 17th 1:25 PM Ah, global warming (and global cooling..) are pre-existing phenomena, and can just be natural cyclic conditions, so the glaciers could be melting as part of normal climatic changes. Don't forget, we've been thawing out since the Ice Age ! And the question is, as I see it, how much (or how quickly) is man depleting the ozone layer, accelerating probably a normal phenomena/cycle, and can we slow/stop it, or is it reversible... ? I'll now just wait for someone to say "No Alan, you don't understand, that's not the..."
Captain Beeflat User ID: 1738604	Jul 17th 1:38 PM Owen. When compared with the effect of:- 1/ That huge sump which we call the sea, which absorbs or exhales CO2, dependant upon ambient temperature, with a time hysteresis of about 60 years. 2/ Volcanoes belching incalculable out tons of CO2. 3/ Livestock, copiously releasing, from each end, CH4 which is over 25 times more efficient as a greenhouse gas. Just one cow can generate as much as the largest 4x4 in real terms. It almost qualifies as conceit to think that our puny efforts come even close. It is only a matter of time before "those who lecture us" will ban saxophones...just think of all the CO2 we generate when compared with gently breathing in and out. :-0
Castaway User ID: 9182423	Jul 17th 1:52 PM Bb: You are pretty learned. I'll give you that.
jazzbug1 User ID: 0896204	Jul 17th 3:17 PM A word of caution for repair experts. I was using a hot glue gun to adhere saxophone pads in their cups and some of the glue fell to the floor, landing in spherically-shaped particles, which when I stepped on them, caused me to lose my footing and fall. Should the supplier of the product issue a "Glue Ball Warning"?
alan (uk) User ID: 0651814	Jul 17th 3:50 PM Probably Global Warming caused the melted glue to overheat slightly and become unstable ? On second thoughts, maybe I should just say "sounds like a load of balls to me...." 8-))
alan (uk) User ID: 0651814	Jul 17th 3:52 PM Ah - just got the joke "Glue Ball", very good jb1, very good !
ukebert User ID: 0443584	Jul 17th 4:11 PM No Alan, you don't understand, it's not the Ozone layer, that's only filtering UV light, nothing to do with warming per se. It's a greenhouse gas "cushion" that we should be worried about, that traps heat from the sun and prevents it from radiating back off into space, meaning that we absorb more of the suns energy, causing a rise in temperatures. Bb, 1) One of the great dangers invisaged by climate scientists is that if our temperature increases too much due to global warming, then the sea may, as you say release it's carbon store, which would of course be disastrous. 2) There aren't many active volcanoes around. 3) So if one cow = one car (or thereabouts, say 1.5 for the sake of argument), how many cows are there compared to cars, and how many of those cows are due to human farming practices, i.e. down to human effect?
alan (uk) User ID: 0651814	Jul 17th 4:44 PM ukebert, ah well, I said someone would pop up and say "No Alan, you don't understand...." And you did. Now, I think of myself as reasonably intelligent and quite well informed, but I've obviously got it all wrong, so how can you (or anyone) expect the average 'bloke in the street' to have a f$!*ing clue about it, with all these confusing statements floating around ? I've heard 'experts' on TV use the "depleting the ozone layer" phrase to death, and now you say it doesn't matter ? Please don't answer, I'm off to smoke my pipe, drink some scrumpy, and break wind in the garden, now it can't possibly harm anyone............ (and the garden is about the only bloody place I can smoke my pipe these days...)
WW2 User ID: 8973393	Jul 17th 5:48 PM Do I believe that global warming is real? Yes. Do I believe that it is caused solely by human activity? No, although the human contribution is significant. Do I believe that it is caused solely by natural cyclical patterns? No, although the natural cyclical warming and cooling trend is significant. Do I believe that I can have an impact on reversing this trend? Yes, but one part per 100,000,000,000 will be very difficult to verify or even measure. Is global warming having an impact in my local area? Who knows, all I can say is that this last winter had the worst freeze of any winter since I moved into the local area in 1989. The last two summers have had longer periods of heat than previous years, but the record temperatures have only been challenged, not broken. Most important, rainfall for the last 21 years, and especially the last 10 years, has been lower than average. Having said that, we have also had one of the wettest years on record just a couple of years ago. Last year we only had 2.19 inches of rain (5.56cm)! So far this year we have had zero rain (okay, the season only started July 1st, but it has still been DRY!) p.s. My name box is not yellow, it is still white.
Captain Beeflat User ID: 1738604	Jul 18th 4:42 AM Much of the problem/hype of global warming comes from two sources:- Worldwide communication. We now instantly know what is happening on the other side of the world, whereas one hundred years ago we were unaware of what was happening in the next village. Accuracy of measurement. This cannot be over emphasised. We always knew that when a butterfly landed on a bridge, the bridge bent...now we can measure it. Specifically, with regard to your posting:- The sea is now releasing it's store of CO2..see "measurement" above. Volcanoes...How many do you need? Cows are flatulent 24 hours a day whereas cars are, on average, driven for 1 hour/day. I must admit however, that it does not seem a good idea to cut down the Earth's lungs (rain forest) and replace it with livestock... blame MacDonalds, they are always an easy target. When you consider the vast, volatile, molten mass of the Earth's inner core, it has always amazed me that human life can exist so relatively close. I still maintain that when levelled against these enormous natural forces, our contribution is negligible. Some love to worry, yet worry, per se, never achieved anything.
jazzbug1 User ID: 0896204	Jul 18th 6:38 AM Alan-- Thank you for the complement. I haven't heard "Very good, jb1" since my successful potty training. (a year ago)
alan (uk) User ID: 0651814	Jul 18th 8:06 AM jb1 - I'm on safer ground with 'potty training', than I am commenting about global warming..... It always amazes me (to follow Beeflats lead) that we still exist, living on a molten core, fuelled by a molten Sun. I'm sure some unplanned (and un-thought of) natural phenomena will one-day wipe us all out - another planet out of orbit maybe - long before we all get severely warmed up..... By the way, if anyone wants to know about global warming, greenhouse gas and the like - try this Childrens 'News' link, even I can understand it... http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/world/global_warming/newsid_2794000/2794907.stm