Dune House Atreides

Swirve.com Links: Swirve.com Free Email Games Fantasy Sports E-Cards Movies Horoscopes Freebies Web Search

NOTICE: Beginning July 10th, 2008, this message board service will no longer be active or available for use.

Dune House Atreides / Comments on Dune: The Butlerian Jihad / The Jihad

Next 20 Messages

Nora FJ
User ID: 0471064 Aug 24th 5:48 AM
Well, since this is lying at the bottom, lets start talking about it. I suppose I can't contribute quite yet, but those of you who have read it can.

Nora FJ

Loki Aug 25th 10:38 PM
Anyone other then Dog acutally *have* the book yet?

MargoU Aug 26th 9:04 AM
Don't know how he got it, don't know where he got it, haven't even seen it yet. Has Dog got some special connections somewhere higher or what? ;-)

dogsolitude_uk
User ID: 8277173 Sep 2nd 11:41 AM
No special connections, I just happen to live in Norwich, UK.

They've got it in Waterstone's, Ottaker's, Kulture Shock, blimmin' everywhere...

Dog;)

BaronMoritani
User ID: 9565813 Sep 2nd 6:59 PM
You can find it online.

Nora FJ
User ID: 0471064 Sep 2nd 8:01 PM
Yes, but WHERE!!!

Nora FJ

Lankiveil
User ID: 0074284 Oct 6th 7:47 AM
Its flat. Very flat. Most disappointing.

And I even liked the other prequels...

Nora FJ
User ID: 0471064 Oct 6th 5:29 PM
Well, I'm getting it for my birthday, so when I get it and have read it, I will contribute my opinion.

Nora FJ

Iolyn Oct 8th 3:26 PM
I have begun reading this book and am having VERY mixed emotions. While the story itself is entertaining, I find that I am dissappointed that Brian and Kevin have chosen to ignore the DUNE ENCYCLOPEDIA and instead opted to re-write the histories. In a letter posted to the dunenovels.com site, they sited their reasons as 'using my father's original notes, instead of the derivative DUNE ENCYCLOPEDIA" (this is not a direct quote, but it hits the main points.)

Vandevere
User ID: 2066234 Oct 8th 7:02 PM
One way to lessen the pain is to view the Prequels as taking place in an alternate universe. Yeah...It's a silly thing to do...But it works.

Vandevere

javman
User ID: 2672124 Oct 9th 10:25 AM
I bought Jihad about three days ago here in houston. I am halfway through the 600 plus pages and I have to say it is pretty enjoyable. I think Brian and Kevin have found a perfect outlet for their lack luster story telling. The setting is 10,000 years before Muad'dib so they have room to add a lot of their own Ideas without damaging the concepts of the universe we all know. It is a little contrite that worm riding was started on accident but it is also true that many of the most important discoveries on this planet were found by accident. I guess all I am trying to say is the setting of Jihad is so far in the past from the original series that Brian and his cohort can make mistakes and people like myself who do not have access to the Dune Encyclopedia will not even notice. I have not been to the board for many months and I am happy to see familiar names(like Vandevere) May you all walk in the shade.

dogsolitude_uk Oct 12th 10:20 AM
Hmmm... I see what everyone means about the ignoring of the DE by BH and KJA. It still seems a bit silly to me, but there we are.

It bugs me that the DE is still such a bone of contention by both authors and readers alike. I don't see why it can't be republished with a preface explaining the situation behind it, perhaps even fictionalizing it by suggesting it's one of Leto II's pranks...

BTW, I'm studying Marketing at the moment as part of my job, and basically anyone with half a business brain would listen to the public and do their best to give them what they want, rather than what you think they *should* want. If people want the sodding DE re-released then do it, for crying out loud!!!

Ummm, anyway, where was I?

I'm glad the consensus so far is that the BJ is a pretty good stab... It's not FH, but I also think that javman has hit his head on the nail with his comments about the time period.

When's your birthday Nora?

Dog;)

Feyd Oct 13th 8:58 AM
They say that Dune has sold over ten million copies. Why doesn't publisher of DE do the math? (We say "maths" in the uk but "math" sounds better...)

Nora FJ Oct 13th 8:06 PM
Well, after being down a week from a computer virus, I'm back!

FINALLY!!! THANK GOD, BECAUSE I HAVE THE BJ IN MY HAND AS I SPEAK!!!

I am very happy to say that I have the Butlerian Jihad now. I have read 3 or so chapters, and I am enjoying it. I think it is a bit better than the prequels, but remember, I am only in the beginning.

Nora FJ

Feyd Oct 14th 5:10 AM
Welcome back, Nora. You haven't missed much. No one has been posting. Perhaps they are all reading the BJ too? GNT has even resorted to refreshing old posts.

dogsolitude_uk Oct 14th 6:09 AM
Yeah, it's sad really. I'm running out of stuff to write too. Hope people *are* reading the BJ and not just disappearing... that would be nasty...

Hmmm, if only one percent of Dune readers bought the DE that would still be quite a reasonable sum for a bit of SF. I think.

Dog;)

DH Danmark
User ID: 0534004 Oct 16th 12:31 PM
I finished BJ yesterday. I think it is must better than the prelude. But still it could be much better, but Brian and Kevin are going in the right direction, so I'm a optimist. The prelude books were so predictable, but in BJ I found a few things I had not guessed before it happened. That was the best thing in BJ. And Brian and Kevin have aslo made some better characters in the new book, with Xavier as the worst exception, IMO he is just as flat as the most characters from the prelude.

Nora FJ Oct 16th 4:20 PM
Well, today is my birthday! I'm on page 106 of the Jihad and enjoying it.
I agree with DH Danmark. Where I am, Xavier is flat. I like Vorian and Serena though. And Erasmus is an awesome character so far!

Nora FJ

Gunnar
User ID: 9070813 Oct 27th 4:19 PM
Didn't like the prequels very much, but BJ is entertaining stuff. First the Titans and the thinking machines, that's exciting. The origins of some of the Dune features, like worm riding, glow globes and the first steps of space folding, are described in an original way. Yet, it's a bit unconvincing that all these origins, 10,000 years pre-Dune, all take place in the same 18 months covered by BJ. Further, writing style and characters of BH and KJA are still so much more superficial than in FH's books, so that I also have my doubts about their skills to write book 7 (unless they stick very closely to FH's notes).

Cairon Oct 28th 2:21 PM
Maybe a lovely little snippet of info to consider... look for:

Manuel Butler

It's the Butler, Frank Herbert based his Butlerian Jihad on.

The Butlerian Jihad is flat from beginning to end...

"I love you"
He loves her with all of his heart
"He loves me!"

The writers can only convince the reader of the emotion by bringing it in a sterile way. This isn't characterisation, it's annoying to read.

Next 20 Messages

Your Name:
Authenticate:	What is Authentication?
Your Message:

Nora FJ User ID: 0471064	Aug 24th 5:48 AM Well, since this is lying at the bottom, lets start talking about it. I suppose I can't contribute quite yet, but those of you who have read it can. Nora FJ
Loki	Aug 25th 10:38 PM *Anyone other then Dog acutally have* the book yet?**
MargoU	Aug 26th 9:04 AM Don't know how he got it, don't know where he got it, haven't even seen it yet. Has Dog got some special connections somewhere higher or what? ;-)
dogsolitude_uk User ID: 8277173	Sep 2nd 11:41 AM No special connections, I just happen to live in Norwich, UK. They've got it in Waterstone's, Ottaker's, Kulture Shock, blimmin' everywhere... Dog;)
BaronMoritani User ID: 9565813	Sep 2nd 6:59 PM You can find it online.
Nora FJ User ID: 0471064	Sep 2nd 8:01 PM Yes, but WHERE!!! Nora FJ
Lankiveil User ID: 0074284	Oct 6th 7:47 AM Its flat. Very flat. Most disappointing. And I even liked the other prequels...
Nora FJ User ID: 0471064	Oct 6th 5:29 PM Well, I'm getting it for my birthday, so when I get it and have read it, I will contribute my opinion. Nora FJ
Iolyn	Oct 8th 3:26 PM I have begun reading this book and am having VERY mixed emotions. While the story itself is entertaining, I find that I am dissappointed that Brian and Kevin have chosen to ignore the DUNE ENCYCLOPEDIA and instead opted to re-write the histories. In a letter posted to the dunenovels.com site, they sited their reasons as 'using my father's original notes, instead of the derivative DUNE ENCYCLOPEDIA" (this is not a direct quote, but it hits the main points.)
Vandevere User ID: 2066234	Oct 8th 7:02 PM One way to lessen the pain is to view the Prequels as taking place in an alternate universe. Yeah...It's a silly thing to do...But it works. Vandevere
javman User ID: 2672124	Oct 9th 10:25 AM I bought Jihad about three days ago here in houston. I am halfway through the 600 plus pages and I have to say it is pretty enjoyable. I think Brian and Kevin have found a perfect outlet for their lack luster story telling. The setting is 10,000 years before Muad'dib so they have room to add a lot of their own Ideas without damaging the concepts of the universe we all know. It is a little contrite that worm riding was started on accident but it is also true that many of the most important discoveries on this planet were found by accident. I guess all I am trying to say is the setting of Jihad is so far in the past from the original series that Brian and his cohort can make mistakes and people like myself who do not have access to the Dune Encyclopedia will not even notice. I have not been to the board for many months and I am happy to see familiar names(like Vandevere) May you all walk in the shade.
dogsolitude_uk	Oct 12th 10:20 AM Hmmm... I see what everyone means about the ignoring of the DE by BH and KJA. It still seems a bit silly to me, but there we are. It bugs me that the DE is still such a bone of contention by both authors and readers alike. I don't see why it can't be republished with a preface explaining the situation behind it, perhaps even fictionalizing it by suggesting it's one of Leto II's pranks... BTW, I'm studying Marketing at the moment as part of my job, and basically anyone with half a business brain would listen to the public and do their best to give them what they want, rather than what you think they should want. If people want the sodding DE re-released then do it, for crying out loud!!! Ummm, anyway, where was I? I'm glad the consensus so far is that the BJ is a pretty good stab... It's not FH, but I also think that javman has hit his head on the nail with his comments about the time period. When's your birthday Nora? Dog;)
Feyd	Oct 13th 8:58 AM They say that Dune has sold over ten million copies. Why doesn't publisher of DE do the math? (We say "maths" in the uk but "math" sounds better...)
Nora FJ	Oct 13th 8:06 PM Well, after being down a week from a computer virus, I'm back! FINALLY!!! THANK GOD, BECAUSE I HAVE THE BJ IN MY HAND AS I SPEAK!!! I am very happy to say that I have the Butlerian Jihad now. I have read 3 or so chapters, and I am enjoying it. I think it is a bit better than the prequels, but remember, I am only in the beginning. Nora FJ
Feyd	Oct 14th 5:10 AM Welcome back, Nora. You haven't missed much. No one has been posting. Perhaps they are all reading the BJ too? GNT has even resorted to refreshing old posts.
dogsolitude_uk	Oct 14th 6:09 AM Yeah, it's sad really. I'm running out of stuff to write too. Hope people are reading the BJ and not just disappearing... that would be nasty... Hmmm, if only one percent of Dune readers bought the DE that would still be quite a reasonable sum for a bit of SF. I think. Dog;)
DH Danmark User ID: 0534004	Oct 16th 12:31 PM I finished BJ yesterday. I think it is must better than the prelude. But still it could be much better, but Brian and Kevin are going in the right direction, so I'm a optimist. The prelude books were so predictable, but in BJ I found a few things I had not guessed before it happened. That was the best thing in BJ. And Brian and Kevin have aslo made some better characters in the new book, with Xavier as the worst exception, IMO he is just as flat as the most characters from the prelude.
Nora FJ	Oct 16th 4:20 PM Well, today is my birthday! I'm on page 106 of the Jihad and enjoying it. I agree with DH Danmark. Where I am, Xavier is flat. I like Vorian and Serena though. And Erasmus is an awesome character so far! Nora FJ
Gunnar User ID: 9070813	Oct 27th 4:19 PM Didn't like the prequels very much, but BJ is entertaining stuff. First the Titans and the thinking machines, that's exciting. The origins of some of the Dune features, like worm riding, glow globes and the first steps of space folding, are described in an original way. Yet, it's a bit unconvincing that all these origins, 10,000 years pre-Dune, all take place in the same 18 months covered by BJ. Further, writing style and characters of BH and KJA are still so much more superficial than in FH's books, so that I also have my doubts about their skills to write book 7 (unless they stick very closely to FH's notes).
Cairon	Oct 28th 2:21 PM Maybe a lovely little snippet of info to consider... look for: Manuel Butler It's the Butler, Frank Herbert based his Butlerian Jihad on. The Butlerian Jihad is flat from beginning to end... "I love you" He loves her with all of his heart "He loves me!" The writers can only convince the reader of the emotion by bringing it in a sterile way. This isn't characterisation, it's annoying to read.