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Admin
User ID: 7873223
Oct 5th 7:42 PM
Please post your comments and feedback on the new Dune House Atreides novel here.
Dave
User ID: 8604013
Dec 2nd 9:00 AM
Nothing; Heretics of Dune is prehaps the 2nd best Dune novel after the original.
Jack
User ID: 9426023
Dec 3rd 1:46 PM
Briefly:
1, Duncan Idaho- dull, very dull
2,Bene Gesserit- fine in the background but here are out of place
3, references to previous characters- seems only to remind us that it is a dune book
4,no main characters(cept duncan, but c point 1)
5,Silly worm controlling girl
6,nothing much happens- some have said that books where "nothing much happens" in the dune series are part of a great epic and then critised me for only liking action.
This is not the case. Dune (my favourite) had very very little action, only a few fights to my recollection. What i mean by stuff happening is, you know, the plot. House Harkonnen retaking Arrakis, Shaddam being overthrown, staging an abduction to frame House Corrino etc.
ajsmentat
User ID: 0534004
Dec 12th 3:38 PM
What a happy little message board. At any rate, hello guys, I just finished reading House Atreides a bit ago. I must say that the style of writing was several steps below traditional FH, but I have to agree with The Boze's analysis of the situation. Frank had a truly unique style of writing that would have been impossible to emulate perfectly. And those imperfections (like those damnable inconsistencies) would have galled us all infinitely.
I noticed that someone finally picked up on the error about Tanidia Nerus and Mohiam. The Encyclopedia writes it off by saying that Nerus was Mohiam's pseudonym, kinda like "Hidden Rank." One thing I do have a big question about though...how can Hasimir be the 1st Count of House Fenring? He's a genetic eunuch, but their must be SOME Fenring heir, Dalak, who later marries Wensicia. Minor, I know...but oh, how it galls;-).
Oh yeah, and where on earth did "House Vernius" come from? I thought the technocrats of Ix were always sovereign....yes, it's possible that after all this "Xuttah" nonsense has come and gone, Ix will be as it is in later books, but it's still kinda bizarre. It would have been a little better, in my opinion, to bring in House Ginaz "one-time allies of Duke Leto Atreides."
ajsmentat
User ID: 0534004
Dec 12th 8:01 PM
Oh yeah...and somebody mentioned Rhombur changing his name to Gurney Halleck. What are everyone's thoughts on that? I know Halleck was in Harkonnen slave pits (he got his inkvine scar from the Beast Rabban...and incidentally, "Rabban" was a last name...his first name was Glossu per the Almanak al-Ashraf in the back of Dune), and he certainly had a sister, but I remember something else about growing up on Chusuk. Was that just from the encyc?
Brian Lease
User ID: 0276214
Jan 6th 12:14 PM
I am always a bit queezzy when I see other authors writing new books or stories in another author's universe, particularly in science fiction. However I had great hope with this project after reading on this web site how Brian Herbert had gathered his father's materials and had actually worked with him on some of the later novels.
I was not disappointed and enjoyed the book immensely. The incident aboard the Guild Highliner was well done and I have no complaints. It appears the project was undertaken with due reverence and I see no reason for anybody to offer any harsh criticism.
I look forward to more Dune books by these authors.
By the way, the Dune board game by Avalon Hill is one of the best strategy games I've ever played.
Mo
User ID: 0631424
Jan 17th 6:32 PM
Reading a new book after part six did a lot of joy to me. This because of the old days of Dune, Stilgar being a young Fremen, Duncan escaping from Harkonnen. This did a lot to me, I hope Brian and Kevin continue on the Dune novels...
Victor
User ID: 7461463
Jan 20th 2:14 PM
Just discovered this site, boy I guess there are very different opinions about what the Dune Cycle mean.
For myself I've probably read Dune 200+ times and the rest so many I've had to buy multiple copies from reading the out. Including the Encyclopedia.
I just immerse myself in the book and don't work about the little things.
As for HA I found the book and the audio version very enjoyable. No they're not Frank. So what, I'm still capable of immersion into the fun of a new vision.
In Frank's world I find the Dune Encyclopedia had some impact, but at his choice how much he wished it to be.
For those of you who are disturbed, I suggest something calming, like reading Lord of the Rings several Dozen times and learning how to center.
As for myself I find release in my own passions by writing fan fiction in the "Destroyer" universe, but set 5,000 years before the current series. Life is much simpler that way.
Ante Dominus
User ID: 2372774
Jan 26th 5:17 PM
I must address this to Steve P. While I'm not as reactionary as him I must say that he hit the nail on the head. Kevin Anderson really doesn't have one iota of writing talent. Brian Herbert who I respect a great deal should also be criticised for letting this book be published the way it was. Why? Well, a story should be just that: a STORY! It should be moving and focused. HA is a convoluted mess! I'm not saying that the authors could match Frank Herbert's writing style, but at least they could've focused more on a moving story then pandering to the fastidiousness of many fans who want Everything! There is so much to the Dune universe. Why bother spending 600 pages essentailly explaining what happened before Dune when they should've spent 600 pages telling a moving story that was EITHER about Keynes, Shaddam, Leto, the BG, the BT, the Harkonens, the IXians...etc. To BH and KA: for your next book, focus on a story rather then a penny dreadful!
Shawn S
User ID: 9551723
Feb 2nd 1:39 AM
I write this as I have 100 pages left to read
A long 100 pages
As soon as the first reviews of D:HA came out I got very affraid to read it for myself, but I dove into it with an open mind and found out that dozens of Dune fans can't be wrong.
This book made me want to cry. I Don't know why Brian Herbert would team up with KJA, I just can't figure that part out. Anyone who has read KJA's star wars books can find out which parts he wrote for D:HA. I'm willing to bet the the speach problem (uh)with the prince of Ix was KJA idea.
I also remember that one of the main disagrements that Frank Herbert had with the Dune Encyclopedia was when the Dune Encyclopedia claimed the Mohiam was Jessica's mother. How can you use the part of the Dune Encylopedia the one part the Frank Herbert did not agre with and not use the stuff that he did aprove of?
I loved all the original six books because the required many hours of thought. D:HA spoon feeds you all the information you need to have. The chapters needed to be about three times as long to give you the depth that Frank Herbert gave.
An example would be Duncan's trip across Caladan. For the Authors who must have forgoten Caldan is the size of a planet not the size of the Gulf of Mexico, it can not be crossed in a few pages! Another part that made me want to trow in the towel was when the BG brought in a Feng Shui master. Then they tried to say that the BG and Feng Shui have much in common. Was anybody else as upset with this part as I was.
If I ever have a question that has conflicting answers in the DE and in D:HA I think I know what book I am going to go by. Just because the Author is Frank Herberts son doesn't make what he has to say more cannon the the DE. Also just because He is Frank Herberts soon doesn't mean that the book will be in anyway shape or form as good as the book his father wrote, that was a very painful leason for me to learn.
Juanjo
User ID: 1502094
Feb 2nd 7:52 AM
I've just finished reading HA, and I really enjoyed it, not so much for the writing style, but bbecause it fullfilled in part the longing I had for "some" more about that incredible universe in which FH had immersed us with the Dune saga. Even though I'm from Argentina and read the FH's books translated to spanish, I've felt a little dissapointed finding out a few details in HA that have no way to match the continuity of the saga, for example, Duncan Idaho's sister, to whom the Harkonnens did something Idaho never forgot, does not exist in HA; or, how could Alia visualize the Baron's Other Memory in her as someone fat if he was thin at the moment of Jessica's conception? I think that even though this are minor details, they shouldn't have been looked over, if the authors would have had a little more sense of seriousness towards the legacy of FH's masterpiece. I hope they take a little more time in editing the upcoming books, so they can fit a little better into what is one of the best pieces of work of the 20th century's fiction.
DuneFan
User ID: 7378223
Feb 4th 12:04 PM
I haven't read the book yet, but am planning on it when the paperback comes out. The reason for this post is as a response to all the negativity that I am reading here. First of all, Frank's six are not all that perfect. Althought the first three are golden the last three put me to sleep at times (that is not to say that I did not like them but even Frank couldn't repeat the beauty of the first three.) Don't be so critical. If you think you could do a better job than do it. It is much more difficult to try and fail then not to try and sit and criticize. And I think the movie was excellent. Yes it does not quite match the books, but it certainly had the feel of the book and was very beautifully made. I saw the movie first and it is what drew me in to reading the books. I should also remind you, in case any one does not know this, that Frank Herbert liked the movie too.
Doug
User ID: 0701364
Feb 4th 4:49 PM
DuneFan I dont' know which movie you were watching, but how that movie could have inspired you to do anything but turn off the VCR is mind-boggling. It was disjointed, added obsencely unecessary parts, and was far below what David Lynch is really capapble of doing. He undertook a task that was probably simply beyond his resources.
Now onto D:HA...
Overall I would have to say that the book was not terrible. But it wasn't really great either. As I was reading it I realized that the best part about it was the fact that I was visiting with my old freinds again. Frank Herbert created a world that is comfortable and familiar, the characters have a way of communicating with the reader (as is evidenced my the millions of fans). It was meeting those characters again, after not having seen many of them since the third Dune, that was really so appealing. FH had introduced me to the Duke, The Baron, The Beast, Duncan and others and it was with them that I found myself most interested in, in D:HA. The "new" peripherals (the Twins? what the hell was that all about?)were not flushed out and brought to life in a manner befitting a Dune book. Except for maybe Duke Paulus, in him I have a feeling that Brian tried to impart the mannerisms and personality of FH himself. He just seemed to be a lot more polished than the other charaters. Hand-crafted as they say "with love".
Someone somewhere else in these messages mentioned how some parts seemed to be rushed, like Duncan's travel across Caladaan. Yeah, What was up with that? That would have been a perfect time to go into how beautiful Caladaan was, instead of simply talking about the damn waves crashing and how the air smelled salty every time one of the charaters was worried or deep in thought.
DuneFan, you mentioned how if we think we could do better then we should do it, but I really think that most of us are smart enough to know better. KJA is a hack who goes around sponging off of others preconcieved notions. And Brian should have known better than to collaborate with him. This may sound wierd, but I think one of the few writers (alive today) that could have pulled this off (with BH) might have been Stephen King. I know that sounds wierd but if you have read his Dark Tower series you know what I am talking about.
Well that's that. DuneFan, deal with it. Sometimes that majority is RIGHT. No matter how pissed off they are.
Jack
User ID: 9517143
Feb 6th 6:04 AM
Well, i accepted your argument Doug until you critised KJA (fine in itself) and cited Stephen King as a replacement. With the exception of the Shinning, which was rather good, his books are overly long and all about the same thing, that being a I Know What You Did Last Summer type feel with slimy things crawling around in the dark.
Your point about the Twins: plz, plz, everyone keep in mind that this is the _first_ in a _series_ of prequels, so they didn't want to cover every single aspect of the story arc in one novel. The Twin plot will likely develop into something more substantial with the coming prequels.
As to the Dune movie: what is wrong with it? There were certain unnessesary scenes, such as the Baron attacking that boy and killing him, but otherwise it stuck very close to the plot of the book. It even kept most of the same lines and conversations. No movie adaptation will be enough to meet everyone's needs, but this one did very well considering it was made in the 80's.
tommyo
Feb 12th 6:15 PM
lacked depth and feel of the original series, felt more like a colorful omniscient view of a historical time line, than intertwined plot lines. Disappointed Gurney Halleck not written into this novel. The originals grabbed and hooked me, I will undoubtedly read this again and other to follow, but mostly to see where its being taken. TommyO
Scytale
User ID: 1467524
Feb 27th 6:44 PM
Why did they change the character of Leto's father? He doesn't sound to me like the person who Jessica wished had died when Leto was born.
Keith
User ID: 2246984
Mar 6th 9:46 PM
I have to agree with Brock I found alot of problems with the book to the encyclopedia. If your going to write a book do it right at least!!!!!
smith
User ID: 9426023
Mar 7th 11:36 PM
I really enjoyed Dune: House Atreides. I may not have read the original dune books multiple times like others of you have. The Dune books were to say the least awesome. This book may not be the better or even equal to the original Dune book but it is definitly better that God Emperor. Duncan Idaho is smarter and more likeable ( more like himself ) in this book at age eight than he is as he whines his way through the fourth book.
Don't get me wrong I loved all of the Dune chronicles, and I think this is a worthy addition at least.
Lighten up people, remember this is their first book on dune, It can only get better
AnotherDuneGuy
User ID: 2003384
Mar 10th 5:52 PM
First of all I would like to mention for the last time that FH should be trusted, not the Dune Encyclopedia. I enjoyed the Dune Encyclopedia immensely, as I'm sure most do, but if you read it, it isn't really Frank Herbert's Dune - it is an expansion. Although I agree KJH and FH aren't Frank Herberts equals, I don't believe everyone should go around trashing their writing. Personally I am reading these stories because I want to know what happened, not to find sophisticated literary work that could be deeply interpreted like the original 6.
Mehum_23
User ID: 0331974
Mar 21st 5:38 PM
There's really only one gripe I have with D:HA.
Think about it, we have an established Sci-Fi universe which has gone unaltered for some time. Then, after years of wild rumors and false starts, a new chapter emerges, an edition to the series which goes back only about one generation and is filled with younger versions of familiar characters and deeper insights into less realized characters. Does this sound familiar? Now I'm well aware that the planning for D:HA predates Star Wars: Episode One by years, but one might become suspicious at the timing, is it possible the publishers were hoping to jump on a bandwagon here?
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