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TooterFish
User ID: 0415304 Mar 6th 1:39 AM
If you all want to know why House Atreides sucks, its because of Kevin J. Anderson. That man does NOT know how to write. He should be dragged out in the street and shot, repeatedly, for all the crappy books hes written.

Whey Kevin J. Anderson sucks:
1. His childish, simple writing style a 10 year old could follow.
2. His childish, simple plots.
3. His lack of imagination. In his Star Wars books, he had to bring back the Death Star for a 3rd time, and after he blew that up, he came up with another super destructo weapon. Cant he come up with something original?
4. There are other reasons I hate them but the following are the main ones.

When I heard he had a hand in writing House Atreides, my brain shreiked NOOOOOOOOO!!! GOD NOOOOOOO!!! WHY!!!!!! Now I see my brain can foretell the future.

Doug
User ID: 0701364 Mar 6th 10:21 AM
It's funny 'cause it's true.

Keith
User ID: 2246984 Mar 6th 9:37 PM
Yeha the book was realy easy to read it HAD NO DEPTH TO IT AT ALL!!!!!

Miles Teg
User ID: 3034424 Mar 7th 2:54 PM
I must say I was very disapointed that a major plot element from Star Trek IV was "borrowed" for House Atreides. I know it is a daunting task to try to fill Frank Herbert's shoes and the writing style will never be the same. But PLEASE no cross-over concepts! Whats next, time travel? I hope not.

to the Bashar
User ID: 0701364 Mar 7th 4:14 PM
What plot was "barrowed", never saw it, don't intent to.

Thanks

Miles Teg
User ID: 3034424 Mar 8th 1:27 PM
The "barrowed" plot involved using a cloaked ship to attack another ship and place the blame on an unsuspecting ship and captain. The Klingons used a cloaked Bird of Prey to attack a Klingon Battle Cruiser on a mission of peace and make it look like the Enterprise fired the shots under the orders of a vindictive Captain Kirk looking to avenge the death of his son. Kirk is then hauled off to a trial to prove his inocence.

In House Atreides, the Harkonnes use a cloaked No-ship to attack unsuspecting Teliaxu ships and make it appear that the shots come from an Atreides frigate on the orders of a vindictive Duke Leto looking to avenge House Vernius. Leto then goes to a trial to defend his inocence. The details are changed somewhat but the basic concept is the same.

I know that most stories are influened in some respect from ideas already out there, but I have to say that this feels too close for comfort. The very first thing I thought as the story unfolded on the Heighliner was that I have seen this before... on Star Trek IV. I love the Dune uneverse and I don't have a problem with other authors expanding on this universe but they need to give us something exciting and unexpected. TooterFish has a good point. KJA has a tendency to rehash plot ideas that have already been done and resolved. I think this part of House Atreides is yet another example this.

Zilla
User ID: 8897163 Mar 18th 8:37 AM
I presume by star Trek IV (4) you do of course mean star trek VI(6), since i don't remember alot of comedy whilst trying to retrieve some whales from the 2oth century.

btw, time travel has kinda already been in Dune. Or if not time travel, then pointless "lets-link-this-book-to-the-present-coz-its-the-only-century-ever" that is so frequently done in star trek. Remember the end to Chapterhouse? Did FH actually know what he was writing?

Scytale
User ID: 0178794 Mar 18th 4:08 PM
That wasn't time-travel-they were face dancers sent out in the scattering by the Bene Tleilax who had subverted their masters. Just because they lived simply doesn't mean anything-people live simply today-and they would have been explained a lot more if Frank Herbet hadn't died soon after. That's why the end was a let-down for me, because it was meant to be a cliff-hanger.

Miles Teg
User ID: 3034424 Mar 20th 2:19 PM
To Zilla,you are correct. I meant to say Star Trek VI. Thanks for pointing that out.

Mehum_23
User ID: 0331974 Mar 21st 5:19 PM
OK, so they stole an idea from star trek, come on, is there any such thing as a completely original Sci-Fi story any more? Say what you wan't, I liked the damn book!

Zilla
User ID: 8897163 Mar 25th 5:54 AM
If the face-dancers were merely living simply, why was there reference to "dimes" and other such 20th century concepts, such as that hat one of the persons involved was wearing, and the very way they spoke. You can't say that the end to chapterhouse wasn't disappointing. I'll concede that it was a cliff hanger but why did it become necessary to affiliate Dune with the present day?

Figo
User ID: 9683713 Mar 31st 6:54 AM
Who gives a shit if they stole the Star Trek 6 idea, the book was great. And TooterFish, why dont you write somthing yourself, bitch.

admin
User ID: 0101764 Mar 31st 3:44 PM
please play nice all.

Drake
User ID: 8123903 Apr 5th 6:23 PM
There was once something you could call completely original science fiction--when Frank Herbert was alive. I'm almost finished with House Atreides now, and I don't know if I'll make it--it's just too painful. Not only to see such glory being thrown on to a couple of plagiarists, not only because one is capitalizing on the rape of his father's dream, but also because the writing is atrocious. I'd expect better from my five-year-old nephew.

Ulsdan
User ID: 0930774 Apr 18th 8:34 AM
Okay, the book wasn't that great, but saying it sucked maybe a little overboard. I guess we all just expected a lot for a Dune prequel, given the quality of writing evident in Frank Herbert's original six books. But of course, the Star Trek re-hash does sorta bite, the fact that no-ship technology was already out in the time of the Old Duke, so to speak, yet only truly comes out in the original series in the time after the God Emperor's death. Just a few things that don't quite add up.

With prequels, they love to stick in little connections to the original books but end up making cheezy connections that just don't make sense like how Anakin supposedly made C3PO and yet never singles him out in the main Star Wars shindig.

Rob
User ID: 0701364 Jul 11th 7:15 AM
While I don't agree with TooterFish I must say that House Atreides wasn't as good the "real" dune books. But lets face it those books really are an impossible act to follow, and keeping that in mind, I think House Atreides was an okay start.

When all is said and done, one thing remains though: It sure was great to be back in the universe that has brought me so much entertainment.

Turok
User ID: 7879513 Nov 20th 9:19 PM
To stop all these squabbles, let's clone Frank and make him the judge. Right, huh? Heheheheh..very funny! He is going to be the ghola....

JR Jul 2nd 2:01 AM
I don't think it's simply a matter of these books not matching the originals. As with Tolkien, Herbert left behind a treasure-trove of notes. In addition, McNelly's Dune Encyclopedia was there for backstory and inspiration. Chris Tolkien hired a first-rate author (Guy Gavriel Kay) to write the Silmarillion.

Brian Herbert hires Anderson?

There are so many good authors out there who idolize Herbert and would have sold their souls to write Dune books. Ever wonder what George RR Martin could have done with Dune...or the Baron?

Little Herbert & Anderson have RAPED the franchise. The books aren't pure-D bad because like most serial writing (Star Wars, Star Trek), they have a cool enough background and backstory to distract you from how freaking terrible the writing is.

It's just sad when I think about what COULD have been...

Hellhawk
User ID: 0694274 Nov 9th 12:00 PM
The books are too cheesy!! They might as well taken place in Wisconsin. After all, Milwaukee and Giedi Prime are one in the same.

jorge
User ID: 9126573 Sep 1st 10:43 PM
Actually it's Star Trek 6, Undiscovered Country.. and while I have no problems with the book being easier to read (it's prolly the first Dune book I didn't have to read at least twice), the plot *is* lame

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TooterFish User ID: 0415304	Mar 6th 1:39 AM If you all want to know why House Atreides sucks, its because of Kevin J. Anderson. That man does NOT know how to write. He should be dragged out in the street and shot, repeatedly, for all the crappy books hes written. Whey Kevin J. Anderson sucks: 1. His childish, simple writing style a 10 year old could follow. 2. His childish, simple plots. 3. His lack of imagination. In his Star Wars books, he had to bring back the Death Star for a 3rd time, and after he blew that up, he came up with another super destructo weapon. Cant he come up with something original? 4. There are other reasons I hate them but the following are the main ones. When I heard he had a hand in writing House Atreides, my brain shreiked NOOOOOOOOO!!! GOD NOOOOOOO!!! WHY!!!!!! Now I see my brain can foretell the future.
Doug User ID: 0701364	Mar 6th 10:21 AM It's funny 'cause it's true.
Keith User ID: 2246984	Mar 6th 9:37 PM Yeha the book was realy easy to read it HAD NO DEPTH TO IT AT ALL!!!!!
Miles Teg User ID: 3034424	Mar 7th 2:54 PM I must say I was very disapointed that a major plot element from Star Trek IV was "borrowed" for House Atreides. I know it is a daunting task to try to fill Frank Herbert's shoes and the writing style will never be the same. But PLEASE no cross-over concepts! Whats next, time travel? I hope not.
to the Bashar User ID: 0701364	Mar 7th 4:14 PM What plot was "barrowed", never saw it, don't intent to. Thanks
Miles Teg User ID: 3034424	Mar 8th 1:27 PM The "barrowed" plot involved using a cloaked ship to attack another ship and place the blame on an unsuspecting ship and captain. The Klingons used a cloaked Bird of Prey to attack a Klingon Battle Cruiser on a mission of peace and make it look like the Enterprise fired the shots under the orders of a vindictive Captain Kirk looking to avenge the death of his son. Kirk is then hauled off to a trial to prove his inocence. In House Atreides, the Harkonnes use a cloaked No-ship to attack unsuspecting Teliaxu ships and make it appear that the shots come from an Atreides frigate on the orders of a vindictive Duke Leto looking to avenge House Vernius. Leto then goes to a trial to defend his inocence. The details are changed somewhat but the basic concept is the same. I know that most stories are influened in some respect from ideas already out there, but I have to say that this feels too close for comfort. The very first thing I thought as the story unfolded on the Heighliner was that I have seen this before... on Star Trek IV. I love the Dune uneverse and I don't have a problem with other authors expanding on this universe but they need to give us something exciting and unexpected. TooterFish has a good point. KJA has a tendency to rehash plot ideas that have already been done and resolved. I think this part of House Atreides is yet another example this.
Zilla User ID: 8897163	Mar 18th 8:37 AM I presume by star Trek IV (4) you do of course mean star trek VI(6), since i don't remember alot of comedy whilst trying to retrieve some whales from the 2oth century. btw, time travel has kinda already been in Dune. Or if not time travel, then pointless "lets-link-this-book-to-the-present-coz-its-the-only-century-ever" that is so frequently done in star trek. Remember the end to Chapterhouse? Did FH actually know what he was writing?
Scytale User ID: 0178794	Mar 18th 4:08 PM That wasn't time-travel-they were face dancers sent out in the scattering by the Bene Tleilax who had subverted their masters. Just because they lived simply doesn't mean anything-people live simply today-and they would have been explained a lot more if Frank Herbet hadn't died soon after. That's why the end was a let-down for me, because it was meant to be a cliff-hanger.
Miles Teg User ID: 3034424	Mar 20th 2:19 PM To Zilla,you are correct. I meant to say Star Trek VI. Thanks for pointing that out.
Mehum_23 User ID: 0331974	Mar 21st 5:19 PM OK, so they stole an idea from star trek, come on, is there any such thing as a completely original Sci-Fi story any more? Say what you wan't, I liked the damn book!
Zilla User ID: 8897163	Mar 25th 5:54 AM If the face-dancers were merely living simply, why was there reference to "dimes" and other such 20th century concepts, such as that hat one of the persons involved was wearing, and the very way they spoke. You can't say that the end to chapterhouse wasn't disappointing. I'll concede that it was a cliff hanger but why did it become necessary to affiliate Dune with the present day?
Figo User ID: 9683713	Mar 31st 6:54 AM Who gives a shit if they stole the Star Trek 6 idea, the book was great. And TooterFish, why dont you write somthing yourself, bitch.
admin User ID: 0101764	Mar 31st 3:44 PM please play nice all.
Drake User ID: 8123903	Apr 5th 6:23 PM There was once something you could call completely original science fiction--when Frank Herbert was alive. I'm almost finished with House Atreides now, and I don't know if I'll make it--it's just too painful. Not only to see such glory being thrown on to a couple of plagiarists, not only because one is capitalizing on the rape of his father's dream, but also because the writing is atrocious. I'd expect better from my five-year-old nephew.
Ulsdan User ID: 0930774	Apr 18th 8:34 AM Okay, the book wasn't that great, but saying it sucked maybe a little overboard. I guess we all just expected a lot for a Dune prequel, given the quality of writing evident in Frank Herbert's original six books. But of course, the Star Trek re-hash does sorta bite, the fact that no-ship technology was already out in the time of the Old Duke, so to speak, yet only truly comes out in the original series in the time after the God Emperor's death. Just a few things that don't quite add up. With prequels, they love to stick in little connections to the original books but end up making cheezy connections that just don't make sense like how Anakin supposedly made C3PO and yet never singles him out in the main Star Wars shindig.
Rob User ID: 0701364	Jul 11th 7:15 AM While I don't agree with TooterFish I must say that House Atreides wasn't as good the "real" dune books. But lets face it those books really are an impossible act to follow, and keeping that in mind, I think House Atreides was an okay start. When all is said and done, one thing remains though: It sure was great to be back in the universe that has brought me so much entertainment.
Turok User ID: 7879513	Nov 20th 9:19 PM To stop all these squabbles, let's clone Frank and make him the judge. Right, huh? Heheheheh..very funny! He is going to be the ghola....
JR	Jul 2nd 2:01 AM I don't think it's simply a matter of these books not matching the originals. As with Tolkien, Herbert left behind a treasure-trove of notes. In addition, McNelly's Dune Encyclopedia was there for backstory and inspiration. Chris Tolkien hired a first-rate author (Guy Gavriel Kay) to write the Silmarillion. Brian Herbert hires Anderson? There are so many good authors out there who idolize Herbert and would have sold their souls to write Dune books. Ever wonder what George RR Martin could have done with Dune...or the Baron? Little Herbert & Anderson have RAPED the franchise. The books aren't pure-D bad because like most serial writing (Star Wars, Star Trek), they have a cool enough background and backstory to distract you from how freaking terrible the writing is. It's just sad when I think about what COULD have been...
Hellhawk User ID: 0694274	Nov 9th 12:00 PM The books are too cheesy!! They might as well taken place in Wisconsin. After all, Milwaukee and Giedi Prime are one in the same.
jorge User ID: 9126573	Sep 1st 10:43 PM Actually it's Star Trek 6, Undiscovered Country.. and while I have no problems with the book being easier to read (it's prolly the first Dune book I didn't have to read at least twice), the plot is lame