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Dune House Atreides / Suggested Books / Fremen

Thomas Hermansen
User ID: 9941493 Jun 17th 1:39 PM
How about a book about the fremens journey through space that led them to Dune?

Ending Dream 23
User ID: 0541004 Jun 19th 9:55 PM
And who would write such a marvel?

Kosh
User ID: 9356783 Jul 14th 12:57 PM
Who would want too? The Fremen are possibly the worst aspect of Dune aside from the Bene Gesserit in the later novels. Any chronicle detailing the travels of the Fremen would just be a money making ploy with no heard, a very crude and obvious effort to link a more illustrious past with the Fremen, no doubt including their stops on Bela Tegeuse or whatever and Salusa. These stops would solely be included to link the poor novel with events in Dune, as were the mentions of Gurney in the later books. If this were to be done, it would be worse than any star trek spin off series.

Ending Dream 23
User ID: 0345364 Jul 14th 10:14 PM
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MMM>>>
Kosh, NO. I mean sure you may be right. If it was writen it would prolly be done incorrectly... but to say the Fremen .... You lack any Romance.

Margo
User ID: 1397584 Aug 20th 3:37 AM
The Fremen and Bene Gesserit as the WORST elements of Dune?! One question Kosh: do you understand the books???

Levenbrech
User ID: 8890073 Feb 16th 11:38 PM
Well he has a right no to like certain characters and peoples. I don't like the Tleilaxu much. Or the Harkonen. I think the Fremen have a sad ending, but I like their brutish straightforwardness, hehhe.

Margo
User ID: 8924643 Feb 17th 7:29 AM
But that's not what I meant at all. Aside from personal feelings for the Fremen, they are the crucial people to Dune! Without them, their vision and legends etc, Paul Atreides would be a nobody, maybe a noble born Caladanian at best. The Fremen shaped Muad'dib!!

Shogun
User ID: 8270083 Mar 2nd 4:58 PM
And the bene gesserit laid the seeds of the believes and legends of the fremen, and further shape muad'dib and his offspring as much as the fremen and arakis itself have done

Levenbrech
User ID: 8492403 Mar 4th 8:12 PM
"The Fremen shaped Muad'dib!!"

And he destroyed them...

Ending Dream 23
User ID: 9391453 Mar 4th 9:21 PM
Not true - Muad'dib revolutionized, changed, reassembled, ect.. the Fremen. It was LetoII that let them disapate. If you want to blame anyone then blame him. Muad'dib had to much Romance in his blood to destroy something as pretty as the Fremen.

Vandevere
User ID: 2066234 Mar 4th 10:25 PM
I hate to say this, but the seeds for the destruction of the Fremen were sowed in the Jihad. In "Messiah", Farok is talking to Scytale, telling him of how he saw the ocean for the first time, and of the celebratory banquet for the Molitor victory, shows how the "traditional" Fremen were already being destroyed. Later, in "Children", Leto completely flummoxes Stilgar by simply commenting on how beautiful the young men and women were.

The Fremen society that we know and love so well, was based on extreme danger for the whole group, and the extreme measures taken to protect that group.

Even the word "Sietch" is proof of this. According to FH, sietch originally meant "a place to assemble in time of danger."

The Fremen had become an inward-looking people who resisted change. In the end, it was change, ecomonic and social, that destroyed them.

Vandevere

Margo
User ID: 8924643 Mar 5th 12:55 PM
--claps--
Well said.

Shaitan
User ID: 9412633 Mar 29th 3:44 PM
Kosh, you must have no undersdtanding of Dune and all it encompasses if you think the Fremen and the BG are the worst aspects. Maybe you too busy to get to the last two books but the BG were the main focus and are extremely important.

Vanguard3000
User ID: 0240854 Sep 26th 6:08 PM
I don't think a book about Fremen origin's would be a good thing to write about. First, there's not really much to the wanderings (there were a few important bits, such as the origins of the Sayyadina, but not much else), so a lot of the books would be "filler" (this is assuming they take ideas from the Dune Encyclopedia). Also, it would destroy some of the mystery surrounding the Fremen.

Solarisy2k
User ID: 0303694 Sep 26th 10:52 PM
Ditto.The fremen should stay misterious as in Lynch's Dune.When Paul and his mother find the fremen for the first time they are in shadows and hardly talk.Stilgar as played by Everet is a silent man, a strong and imposing aperance.Also when he talks is with wisdom.Misterious Fremen!!!

Vandevere
User ID: 2066234 Sep 26th 11:38 PM
Regarding Everett McGill; he was perhaps the only person who liked better from the movie. Not that I hated the guy who played Stilgar in the mini. Mr. McGill-Stilgar in Lynch's movie-simply looked more like I had envisaged Stilgar as looking like.

Vandevere

Turok
User ID: 2324014 Sep 28th 2:51 AM

Hello friends, nice meeting you here.

Paul never wanted the Fremen to vanish from Dune.His son did. All that Leto II did was to cater his Golden Path. But he preserved the seeds of the Fremen in the desert dwellers of Rakis. Still, they were no longer Fremen. But Sheeana was a descendant of the Fremen- as was Odrade, Teg, Lucilla.

I always imagine Stilgar with the picture of Everett McGill when I am reading. That's because he is lean, leathery and bearded. Fremen were mostly bearded.

The Fremen as far as I know were space nomads when the were driven from Earth by Siridar Charled Baron Mikarrol. Their first planet of migration was Poritrin. Fremen said they came from there, from Poritrin. It was the Sardaukar who enforced their scattering in Bela Tegeuse, Harmonthep, Rossak and Ishia.

The most interesting thing about the Fremen is they were a society of fearless warrriors. They might be brutish but they did so to preserve the welfare of the tribes. This bruteness came from their long wanderings and persecutions.

Shaitan
User ID: 0366544 Mar 18th 8:10 PM
Leto II was just one oversized wang...
Muad'Dib would have gotten his fremen wanna be butt kicked by Teg anyday.

Ghanima was the best character ever!

EarlVernius
User ID: 9474683 Aug 26th 5:53 AM
@Kosh
about Fremen and Bene G. being the worst aspect of dune in the later books...
I think its to the writer's credit (in this case a mastermind) that he elicits an emotional response from you using his characters, thats what good books do...
but both these factions are instrumental to the plot and the final outcome, but to me , the corruption of the simplistic ways of the fremen was inevitable after they'd experienced the power and luxury during and after the reign of Muad'Dib and the Bene G. were essentially the same in the later books apart from their understandable aversion to the Kwisatz program and armament because of the repression they endured during Leto II's reign.

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Thomas Hermansen User ID: 9941493	Jun 17th 1:39 PM How about a book about the fremens journey through space that led them to Dune?
Ending Dream 23 User ID: 0541004	Jun 19th 9:55 PM And who would write such a marvel?
Kosh User ID: 9356783	Jul 14th 12:57 PM Who would want too? The Fremen are possibly the worst aspect of Dune aside from the Bene Gesserit in the later novels. Any chronicle detailing the travels of the Fremen would just be a money making ploy with no heard, a very crude and obvious effort to link a more illustrious past with the Fremen, no doubt including their stops on Bela Tegeuse or whatever and Salusa. These stops would solely be included to link the poor novel with events in Dune, as were the mentions of Gurney in the later books. If this were to be done, it would be worse than any star trek spin off series.
Ending Dream 23 User ID: 0345364	Jul 14th 10:14 PM .............................. .. .. . . . . MMM>>> Kosh, NO. I mean sure you may be right. If it was writen it would prolly be done incorrectly... but to say the Fremen .... You lack any Romance.
Margo User ID: 1397584	Aug 20th 3:37 AM The Fremen and Bene Gesserit as the WORST elements of Dune?! One question Kosh: do you understand the books???
Levenbrech User ID: 8890073	Feb 16th 11:38 PM Well he has a right no to like certain characters and peoples. I don't like the Tleilaxu much. Or the Harkonen. I think the Fremen have a sad ending, but I like their brutish straightforwardness, hehhe.
Margo User ID: 8924643	Feb 17th 7:29 AM But that's not what I meant at all. Aside from personal feelings for the Fremen, they are the crucial people to Dune! Without them, their vision and legends etc, Paul Atreides would be a nobody, maybe a noble born Caladanian at best. The Fremen shaped Muad'dib!!
Shogun User ID: 8270083	Mar 2nd 4:58 PM And the bene gesserit laid the seeds of the believes and legends of the fremen, and further shape muad'dib and his offspring as much as the fremen and arakis itself have done
Levenbrech User ID: 8492403	Mar 4th 8:12 PM "The Fremen shaped Muad'dib!!" And he destroyed them...
Ending Dream 23 User ID: 9391453	Mar 4th 9:21 PM Not true - Muad'dib revolutionized, changed, reassembled, ect.. the Fremen. It was LetoII that let them disapate. If you want to blame anyone then blame him. Muad'dib had to much Romance in his blood to destroy something as pretty as the Fremen.
Vandevere User ID: 2066234	Mar 4th 10:25 PM I hate to say this, but the seeds for the destruction of the Fremen were sowed in the Jihad. In "Messiah", Farok is talking to Scytale, telling him of how he saw the ocean for the first time, and of the celebratory banquet for the Molitor victory, shows how the "traditional" Fremen were already being destroyed. Later, in "Children", Leto completely flummoxes Stilgar by simply commenting on how beautiful the young men and women were. The Fremen society that we know and love so well, was based on extreme danger for the whole group, and the extreme measures taken to protect that group. Even the word "Sietch" is proof of this. According to FH, sietch originally meant "a place to assemble in time of danger." The Fremen had become an inward-looking people who resisted change. In the end, it was change, ecomonic and social, that destroyed them. Vandevere
Margo User ID: 8924643	Mar 5th 12:55 PM --claps-- Well said.
Shaitan User ID: 9412633	Mar 29th 3:44 PM Kosh, you must have no undersdtanding of Dune and all it encompasses if you think the Fremen and the BG are the worst aspects. Maybe you too busy to get to the last two books but the BG were the main focus and are extremely important.
Vanguard3000 User ID: 0240854	Sep 26th 6:08 PM I don't think a book about Fremen origin's would be a good thing to write about. First, there's not really much to the wanderings (there were a few important bits, such as the origins of the Sayyadina, but not much else), so a lot of the books would be "filler" (this is assuming they take ideas from the Dune Encyclopedia). Also, it would destroy some of the mystery surrounding the Fremen.
Solarisy2k User ID: 0303694	Sep 26th 10:52 PM Ditto.The fremen should stay misterious as in Lynch's Dune.When Paul and his mother find the fremen for the first time they are in shadows and hardly talk.Stilgar as played by Everet is a silent man, a strong and imposing aperance.Also when he talks is with wisdom.Misterious Fremen!!!
Vandevere User ID: 2066234	Sep 26th 11:38 PM Regarding Everett McGill; he was perhaps the only person who liked better from the movie. Not that I hated the guy who played Stilgar in the mini. Mr. McGill-Stilgar in Lynch's movie-simply looked more like I had envisaged Stilgar as looking like. Vandevere
Turok User ID: 2324014	Sep 28th 2:51 AM Hello friends, nice meeting you here. Paul never wanted the Fremen to vanish from Dune.His son did. All that Leto II did was to cater his Golden Path. But he preserved the seeds of the Fremen in the desert dwellers of Rakis. Still, they were no longer Fremen. But Sheeana was a descendant of the Fremen- as was Odrade, Teg, Lucilla. I always imagine Stilgar with the picture of Everett McGill when I am reading. That's because he is lean, leathery and bearded. Fremen were mostly bearded. The Fremen as far as I know were space nomads when the were driven from Earth by Siridar Charled Baron Mikarrol. Their first planet of migration was Poritrin. Fremen said they came from there, from Poritrin. It was the Sardaukar who enforced their scattering in Bela Tegeuse, Harmonthep, Rossak and Ishia. The most interesting thing about the Fremen is they were a society of fearless warrriors. They might be brutish but they did so to preserve the welfare of the tribes. This bruteness came from their long wanderings and persecutions.
Shaitan User ID: 0366544	Mar 18th 8:10 PM Leto II was just one oversized wang... Muad'Dib would have gotten his fremen wanna be butt kicked by Teg anyday. Ghanima was the best character ever!
EarlVernius User ID: 9474683	Aug 26th 5:53 AM @Kosh about Fremen and Bene G. being the worst aspect of dune in the later books... I think its to the writer's credit (in this case a mastermind) that he elicits an emotional response from you using his characters, thats what good books do... but both these factions are instrumental to the plot and the final outcome, but to me , the corruption of the simplistic ways of the fremen was inevitable after they'd experienced the power and luxury during and after the reign of Muad'Dib and the Bene G. were essentially the same in the later books apart from their understandable aversion to the Kwisatz program and armament because of the repression they endured during Leto II's reign.