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Dune House Atreides / Suggested Books / Any Phil K. Dick nutters around?

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Moneo
User ID: 1042384 May 15th 12:41 PM
Man I love everything coming from that Genious' pen :) Anyone else? Want to discuss one of his storys?

Feyd
User ID: 8409173 May 15th 2:30 PM
What do you think of the new Blade Runner novels? They are supposed to be a cross between Phil K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and Ridley Scott's Blade Runner, which was based on that book.

dogsolitude_uk
User ID: 9921013 May 16th 6:18 AM
Never read them, but I did read Dick's Eye in the Sky... V. Good, I thought.

Apparently he used to take a load of amphetamines and write his books in one sitting, or so I heard.

Moneo
User ID: 1042384 May 16th 6:59 AM
Feyd: I've read the sequels by K.W.Jeter a few years ago, but I wasn't all too fond of them. It's similar as with the Dune Prequels, only with BR it's far worse. Jeter makes references to the original at every possible moment. People who died suddenly reappear with some hair-raising explainaition for this, pretty much like in soap operas ;)

Plots repeat and repeat again. Subtle hints toward things that made you think for days in the original were missing out. Actually Jeter picks up those things, and points out hints that big that even a 5 year old would understand - nothing about subtleity.

This may all seem similar to the comparison Dune Chronicles vs Preludes, but the intention of the writers were something completely different. Thus I can accept Brian Herbert's work, but I turn down the Blade Runner "official" sequels.

Moneo
User ID: 1042384 May 16th 7:02 AM
Dog: Eye In The Sky is great, but still far from his best :) You should read more of his stuff, perhaps you can also grab yourself a collection of his short stories. Very cool stuff!

Feyd
User ID: 8409173 May 16th 8:04 AM
Moneo: I haven't read them myself, but I did think they might be like the Dune Preludes.

Feyd
User ID: 8409173 May 17th 3:11 AM
dogsolitude_uk: Re: amphetamines. I think Frank Herbert was onto the mouthwash when he wrote Dune Messiah...

dogsolitude_uk
User ID: 1341734 May 17th 7:38 AM
Moneo: Will do! I'll let you know how I get on...

dogsolitude_uk
User ID: 1341734 May 17th 7:40 AM
Feyd: He must have hit the Nightnurse by the time he was on to God Emperor...

BaronMoritani May 18th 7:16 AM
I've read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and I loved it. His discussion of what is humanity reminds me a bit of Herbert.

Feyd
User ID: 8409173 May 18th 8:07 AM
dogsolitude_uk: When he got out of rehab, he barely remembered writing God Emperor at all...

dogsolitude_uk
User ID: 9321503 May 20th 6:16 AM
*LOL*

Sounds like he'd done a bit of a William Burroughs with that one, then!!

Moneo
User ID: 1898874 May 22nd 1:10 AM
Currently reading "Flow My Tears, the Policeman said" :)

Feyd
User ID: 8409173 Jul 18th 8:51 AM
This is an old topic, I know. But in answer to Dog's question "(Did Dick) take a load of amphetamines and write his books in one sitting?" I've just read this article on Phil K. Dick:

"...Fuelled by pills and scotch, Dick churned out 50 stories in 1953..."

"...suicide attempts, paranoid delusions, speed addiction, nervous breakdowns and hallucinations..."

"...a 70,000 word novel in 12 days..."

Dick - "I used to get up at noon and sit down at the typewriter until 2am."

Does that answer your question, Dog?

Feyd

Vanguard3000
User ID: 9308123 Nov 3rd 5:18 PM
I've read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", and it was amazing! It was very different from Blade Runner (the movie; I've never seen the books), but they were both very good.

I've also seen the movie "Impostor", based on one of his books. It was also quite good.

Moneo
User ID: 1446254 Nov 11th 5:12 AM
You know, Minority Report, Total Recall, and Screamers were also based on Phil Dick's short stories... :)

About the drug life of PKD:

He was a heavy doper, especially in the 60s. In his resulting schizophrenia (and other mind damages) accompanied by suicide-attempts and trips to mental homes, he claimed to have a divine vision in the early 70s. Until his death in 1982 he tried to work off what he had experienced then, especially in his semi-autobiographic "Valis" trilogy. He also processes his former drug abuse in his later works, "A Scanner Darkly" makes a good read about that.

Well, I must say I haven't read anything bad from PKD yet, and I've read tons... :)

Have a great day everyone!

- Moneo

Moneo
User ID: 1446254 Nov 11th 5:24 AM
If you want a _real deep_ read about it, I suggest:

http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/pkd.biography.html

Feyd Nov 11th 5:45 AM
Screamers!!! I saw that film - it starred Peter Weller. It's an underrated classic. I thought the ending of the film was particularly good. What short story was that based on?

Feyd Nov 11th 5:47 AM
Thanks, Moneo - I'll read that biography.

Moneo
User ID: 1446254 Nov 11th 11:17 AM
The short stroy was called "The Second Variety". When I read that a few years ago I thought "Wow that would make a great film!". It was only last week when I found out there was one already :) Haven't seen it yet, although I'm getting the DVD for christmas! :))

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Moneo User ID: 1042384	May 15th 12:41 PM Man I love everything coming from that Genious' pen :) Anyone else? Want to discuss one of his storys?
Feyd User ID: 8409173	May 15th 2:30 PM What do you think of the new Blade Runner novels? They are supposed to be a cross between Phil K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and Ridley Scott's Blade Runner, which was based on that book.
dogsolitude_uk User ID: 9921013	May 16th 6:18 AM Never read them, but I did read Dick's Eye in the Sky... V. Good, I thought. Apparently he used to take a load of amphetamines and write his books in one sitting, or so I heard.
Moneo User ID: 1042384	May 16th 6:59 AM Feyd: I've read the sequels by K.W.Jeter a few years ago, but I wasn't all too fond of them. It's similar as with the Dune Prequels, only with BR it's far worse. Jeter makes references to the original at every possible moment. People who died suddenly reappear with some hair-raising explainaition for this, pretty much like in soap operas ;) Plots repeat and repeat again. Subtle hints toward things that made you think for days in the original were missing out. Actually Jeter picks up those things, and points out hints that big that even a 5 year old would understand - nothing about subtleity. This may all seem similar to the comparison Dune Chronicles vs Preludes, but the intention of the writers were something completely different. Thus I can accept Brian Herbert's work, but I turn down the Blade Runner "official" sequels.
Moneo User ID: 1042384	May 16th 7:02 AM Dog: Eye In The Sky is great, but still far from his best :) You should read more of his stuff, perhaps you can also grab yourself a collection of his short stories. Very cool stuff!
Feyd User ID: 8409173	May 16th 8:04 AM Moneo: I haven't read them myself, but I did think they might be like the Dune Preludes.
Feyd User ID: 8409173	May 17th 3:11 AM dogsolitude_uk: Re: amphetamines. I think Frank Herbert was onto the mouthwash when he wrote Dune Messiah...
dogsolitude_uk User ID: 1341734	May 17th 7:38 AM Moneo: Will do! I'll let you know how I get on...
dogsolitude_uk User ID: 1341734	May 17th 7:40 AM Feyd: He must have hit the Nightnurse by the time he was on to God Emperor...
BaronMoritani	May 18th 7:16 AM I've read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and I loved it. His discussion of what is humanity reminds me a bit of Herbert.
Feyd User ID: 8409173	May 18th 8:07 AM dogsolitude_uk: When he got out of rehab, he barely remembered writing God Emperor at all...
dogsolitude_uk User ID: 9321503	May 20th 6:16 AM LOL Sounds like he'd done a bit of a William Burroughs with that one, then!!
Moneo User ID: 1898874	May 22nd 1:10 AM Currently reading "Flow My Tears, the Policeman said" :)
Feyd User ID: 8409173	Jul 18th 8:51 AM This is an old topic, I know. But in answer to Dog's question "(Did Dick) take a load of amphetamines and write his books in one sitting?" I've just read this article on Phil K. Dick: "...Fuelled by pills and scotch, Dick churned out 50 stories in 1953..." "...suicide attempts, paranoid delusions, speed addiction, nervous breakdowns and hallucinations..." "...a 70,000 word novel in 12 days..." Dick - "I used to get up at noon and sit down at the typewriter until 2am." Does that answer your question, Dog? Feyd
Vanguard3000 User ID: 9308123	Nov 3rd 5:18 PM I've read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", and it was amazing! It was very different from Blade Runner (the movie; I've never seen the books), but they were both very good. I've also seen the movie "Impostor", based on one of his books. It was also quite good.
Moneo User ID: 1446254	Nov 11th 5:12 AM You know, Minority Report, Total Recall, and Screamers were also based on Phil Dick's short stories... :) About the drug life of PKD: He was a heavy doper, especially in the 60s. In his resulting schizophrenia (and other mind damages) accompanied by suicide-attempts and trips to mental homes, he claimed to have a divine vision in the early 70s. Until his death in 1982 he tried to work off what he had experienced then, especially in his semi-autobiographic "Valis" trilogy. He also processes his former drug abuse in his later works, "A Scanner Darkly" makes a good read about that. Well, I must say I haven't read anything bad from PKD yet, and I've read tons... :) Have a great day everyone! - Moneo
Moneo User ID: 1446254	Nov 11th 5:24 AM If you want a _real deep_ read about it, I suggest: http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/pkd.biography.html
Feyd	Nov 11th 5:45 AM Screamers!!! I saw that film - it starred Peter Weller. It's an underrated classic. I thought the ending of the film was particularly good. What short story was that based on?
Feyd	Nov 11th 5:47 AM Thanks, Moneo - I'll read that biography.
Moneo User ID: 1446254	Nov 11th 11:17 AM The short stroy was called "The Second Variety". When I read that a few years ago I thought "Wow that would make a great film!". It was only last week when I found out there was one already :) Haven't seen it yet, although I'm getting the DVD for christmas! :))