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Dune House Atreides / Dune Book 7 / Frank's Notes

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Kentij
User ID: 0053014 Apr 11th 5:11 PM
Hey everyone...just a thought. (also want to get this going.)

Has anyone other than pinkey & the brain SEEN FHs notes. I mean it sounds like a great way to have people like this new dune book. IE: we think the ideas are FHs, so automatically they're good.

I'm not saying the Prequils are bad, but they are NOT Dune. The style is totally different, and they take all this stuff from Dune and so "No, that was invented a mellinia earlier."

**(Pease note that I have not been following the blog for a while so i'm a little out of date.)**

Kentij

Seruna Kanus Apr 11th 10:09 PM
The prequils were written from the notes, by 2 different people. It doesn't feel like FH because it wasn't written buy FH.

I've seen the deleted chapters in Road to Dune, and am begining to really think the notes are there.

-Seru King

Sword Master Apr 12th 8:15 AM
I saw the notes. They were in the net that Duncan saw at the end of CH. If you concentrate hard enough and smoke a little cinnimin, you can see them too.

Freakzilla
User ID: 2268254 Apr 12th 9:08 AM
P&TB claim on the blog that their publishers and proofreader have seen the _outline_.

Oh yeah, and the FH's lawyer who found them in the safe deposit box.

Except for the first of the Prelude series, the prequels were based on a box of character sketches and background history notes BH found in his garage, and their imagination. Things such as Erasmus are admittedly the author's creation.

That is completely differt than Frank Herbert handing you a complete, detailed _Dune 7_ outline and all you have to do is flesh it out.

Rob
User ID: 0464054 Apr 12th 9:42 PM
Too bad they can't even do that.

Seruna Kanus Apr 13th 11:49 AM
Indeed. Still, let's wait untill their done before really judging the work. They seem to do a good job for modern writers. But we are used to old time writing.

-Seru King

Freakzilla
User ID: 2268254 Apr 13th 1:56 PM
If they didn't want us to judge it early they shouldn't release chapters before it's published.

shinnok
User ID: 8924643 Apr 13th 2:22 PM
They're testing... I think we've made them a bit insecure.

Freakzilla
User ID: 2268254 Apr 13th 3:26 PM
GOOD!

Anyone attempting to extend Frank Herbert's work should be.

IMO you've gotta have balls the size of church bells to put your name on a Dune book.

shinnok
User ID: 8924643 Apr 13th 7:43 PM
IMO Brian Herbert is greedy to the point of blasphemy. Blasphemy because he is destroying his father's legacy chasing a buck. Greedy becasue he knew the task was quite beyond him, in that intangible way that distinguishes the genius from the mundane. As for He Who Loves Writing Other People's Stories, I have nothing to say.

BOZZY
User ID: 2358584 Apr 19th 1:47 AM
Good God.... Brian Herbert and his co-author posted the 2nd chapter of Hunters of Dune...

http://www.dunenovels.com/dune7blog/chapters/Hunters-Chapter02.pdf

I had hopes they might turn things around but boy was that tough to read...

shinnok
User ID: 8924643 Apr 19th 7:41 AM
"Why ask a man who is already lost to lead you? Why then are you surprised if he leads you nowhere?"
-- Duncan Idaho, A Thousand Lives

Duuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

When I read that, I knew something was horribly wrong with Dune7...

Cyborg-Michael
User ID: 0735934 Apr 19th 3:26 PM
Second chapter you say? Well, if a crowd can form around a tragic car crash, I guess I can try to see this next horror. I really dread this though, but I gotta see.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

Here goes...

Cyborg-Michael
User ID: 0735934 Apr 19th 3:52 PM
HA! An oracle no doubt! I wonder if she will have cookies or candy...

Our great warrior-Mentat Duncan really threw out the wisdom, didn't he? Such profound observations he had about the other passengers on the no-ship. Multiple lives upon multiple lives, and that was all he could say about them? I would have expected some deeper insights...

I hope all that reverie about Murbella has a purpose. I hope it wasn't just filler material, because it sounded like an adolescent missing his girlfriend. Oh yeah, I forgot: the new crowd. (Oracles, and longing for lost love. That'll get the kids.)

I guess I'll keep up with the car wreck anyways. I'm a Dune fan afterall, so the few small little treasures will have to do. It may not be the sparkling gold from FH, but any bit of shine will do at this point...

shinnok
User ID: 8924643 Apr 19th 4:16 PM
And, sure enough, the unimaginitive, old, so often repeated in the prequels, xxxxx within xxxxx within xxxxx.

kentij
User ID: 0053014 Apr 21st 8:31 PM
Oh god... Chapter 2....AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

They've totally [[deleted]] it all...the dune series is doomed...

I hate those guys they've wrecked it, i now am having fun liking the orriginals cuz i keep thinking of whats to come....damn P&TB are total retards...

the irish leprachaun May 16th 4:06 AM
ye guys haven't a fucking clue.......... have ye?

T.I.L May 16th 4:12 AM
look all i'm saying is frank is long dead, get over it. now wheter the son has got notes left by frank or not dosen't matter, do you no why? Because frank sure as hell aint writhing another dune novel, so stop your bitch'n and enter the next phase in the dune saga

shinnok
User ID: 1954724 May 16th 11:27 AM
If I pay for something, whether it’s coffee, a sandwich or a book, I have the right to complain if I don't like it; it's not bitching. But, T.I.l., the Irish Leprachaun; I'm glad to see you so proudly wear your collar.

Cyborg-Michael
User ID: 9418933 May 16th 4:32 PM
enter the next phase? are u serious? are you a fan? just because one out of the 3 chapters didnt stink the whole place up, does that mean the whole shebang is acceptable as the next phase? there are fans out there who are writing better and more acceptable material than those other guys. just because Darryl and Darryl have their hands on the direction of the series, doesn't mean that what they do is truly canon. not to a real fan.

only FH was capable of initiating the Duniverse, and the readers' and fans' imaginations have helped to "thicken it", and have helped to sustain it. what existed in FH's mind we were fortunate enough to be able to share, and enjoy. any fan that knows a whit of Dune, can certainly choose to accept or reject any of the new stuff individually.

I'll prob. read the new books though, to see for myself what ideas are there and where the story may have gone if, if, if... and to grab any lil nuggets they may throw out. I think that IF there are notes and IF the writers have used them at all, I may be able to figure out which ones are FH's and feel my way around to them. FH's genius is hard to hide, and his ideas may stick out. Sometimes you have to look through the weeds to find the rose...

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Kentij User ID: 0053014	Apr 11th 5:11 PM Hey everyone...just a thought. (also want to get this going.) Has anyone other than pinkey & the brain SEEN FHs notes. I mean it sounds like a great way to have people like this new dune book. IE: we think the ideas are FHs, so automatically they're good. I'm not saying the Prequils are bad, but they are NOT Dune. The style is totally different, and they take all this stuff from Dune and so "No, that was invented a mellinia earlier." (Pease note that I have not been following the blog for a while so i'm a little out of date.) Kentij
Seruna Kanus	Apr 11th 10:09 PM The prequils were written from the notes, by 2 different people. It doesn't feel like FH because it wasn't written buy FH. I've seen the deleted chapters in Road to Dune, and am begining to really think the notes are there. -Seru King
Sword Master	Apr 12th 8:15 AM I saw the notes. They were in the net that Duncan saw at the end of CH. If you concentrate hard enough and smoke a little cinnimin, you can see them too.
Freakzilla User ID: 2268254	Apr 12th 9:08 AM P&TB claim on the blog that their publishers and proofreader have seen the _outline_. Oh yeah, and the FH's lawyer who found them in the safe deposit box. Except for the first of the Prelude series, the prequels were based on a box of character sketches and background history notes BH found in his garage, and their imagination. Things such as Erasmus are admittedly the author's creation. That is completely differt than Frank Herbert handing you a complete, detailed _Dune 7_ outline and all you have to do is flesh it out.
Rob User ID: 0464054	Apr 12th 9:42 PM Too bad they can't even do that.
Seruna Kanus	Apr 13th 11:49 AM Indeed. Still, let's wait untill their done before really judging the work. They seem to do a good job for modern writers. But we are used to old time writing. -Seru King
Freakzilla User ID: 2268254	Apr 13th 1:56 PM If they didn't want us to judge it early they shouldn't release chapters before it's published.
shinnok User ID: 8924643	Apr 13th 2:22 PM They're testing... I think we've made them a bit insecure.
Freakzilla User ID: 2268254	Apr 13th 3:26 PM GOOD! Anyone attempting to extend Frank Herbert's work should be. IMO you've gotta have balls the size of church bells to put your name on a Dune book.
shinnok User ID: 8924643	Apr 13th 7:43 PM IMO Brian Herbert is greedy to the point of blasphemy. Blasphemy because he is destroying his father's legacy chasing a buck. Greedy becasue he knew the task was quite beyond him, in that intangible way that distinguishes the genius from the mundane. As for He Who Loves Writing Other People's Stories, I have nothing to say.
BOZZY User ID: 2358584	Apr 19th 1:47 AM Good God.... Brian Herbert and his co-author posted the 2nd chapter of Hunters of Dune... http://www.dunenovels.com/dune7blog/chapters/Hunters-Chapter02.pdf I had hopes they might turn things around but boy was that tough to read...
shinnok User ID: 8924643	Apr 19th 7:41 AM "Why ask a man who is already lost to lead you? Why then are you surprised if he leads you nowhere?" -- Duncan Idaho, A Thousand Lives Duuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. When I read that, I knew something was horribly wrong with Dune7...
Cyborg-Michael User ID: 0735934	Apr 19th 3:26 PM Second chapter you say? Well, if a crowd can form around a tragic car crash, I guess I can try to see this next horror. I really dread this though, but I gotta see. I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Here goes...
Cyborg-Michael User ID: 0735934	Apr 19th 3:52 PM HA! An oracle no doubt! I wonder if she will have cookies or candy... Our great warrior-Mentat Duncan really threw out the wisdom, didn't he? Such profound observations he had about the other passengers on the no-ship. Multiple lives upon multiple lives, and that was all he could say about them? I would have expected some deeper insights... I hope all that reverie about Murbella has a purpose. I hope it wasn't just filler material, because it sounded like an adolescent missing his girlfriend. Oh yeah, I forgot: the new crowd. (Oracles, and longing for lost love. That'll get the kids.) I guess I'll keep up with the car wreck anyways. I'm a Dune fan afterall, so the few small little treasures will have to do. It may not be the sparkling gold from FH, but any bit of shine will do at this point...
shinnok User ID: 8924643	Apr 19th 4:16 PM And, sure enough, the unimaginitive, old, so often repeated in the prequels, xxxxx within xxxxx within xxxxx.
kentij User ID: 0053014	Apr 21st 8:31 PM Oh god... Chapter 2....AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! They've totally [[deleted]] it all...the dune series is doomed... I hate those guys they've wrecked it, i now am having fun liking the orriginals cuz i keep thinking of whats to come....damn P&TB are total retards...
the irish leprachaun	May 16th 4:06 AM ye guys haven't a fucking clue.......... have ye?
T.I.L	May 16th 4:12 AM look all i'm saying is frank is long dead, get over it. now wheter the son has got notes left by frank or not dosen't matter, do you no why? Because frank sure as hell aint writhing another dune novel, so stop your bitch'n and enter the next phase in the dune saga
shinnok User ID: 1954724	May 16th 11:27 AM If I pay for something, whether it’s coffee, a sandwich or a book, I have the right to complain if I don't like it; it's not bitching. But, T.I.l., the Irish Leprachaun; I'm glad to see you so proudly wear your collar.
Cyborg-Michael User ID: 9418933	May 16th 4:32 PM enter the next phase? are u serious? are you a fan? just because one out of the 3 chapters didnt stink the whole place up, does that mean the whole shebang is acceptable as the next phase? there are fans out there who are writing better and more acceptable material than those other guys. just because Darryl and Darryl have their hands on the direction of the series, doesn't mean that what they do is truly canon. not to a real fan. only FH was capable of initiating the Duniverse, and the readers' and fans' imaginations have helped to "thicken it", and have helped to sustain it. what existed in FH's mind we were fortunate enough to be able to share, and enjoy. any fan that knows a whit of Dune, can certainly choose to accept or reject any of the new stuff individually. I'll prob. read the new books though, to see for myself what ideas are there and where the story may have gone if, if, if... and to grab any lil nuggets they may throw out. I think that IF there are notes and IF the writers have used them at all, I may be able to figure out which ones are FH's and feel my way around to them. FH's genius is hard to hide, and his ideas may stick out. Sometimes you have to look through the weeds to find the rose...