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C Melody Saxophone Forum / Mouthpieces Reeds and Ligatures / Best mpc for Buescher C melody

Pepe
User ID: 0833354 Aug 31st 2:48 AM
Hi everyone,
I'm new in this forum as I just got a Buescher C Mel from de States. It comes with a Buescher C mel mpc (at least it is marked C in the ligature). But would like to know if there other possibilities to get a more "brighter sound". I've heard about Zinner mpc, Runyons etc. Anyone has recomendations for that?. Thanks, and regards from Spain.

alan (UK)
User ID: 8200143 Aug 31st 4:58 AM
Pepe - I've been having a few Spanish 'hits' at cmelodysax.co.uk - was that you ? Welcome.

One of the other contributors from here sells the Zinner mouthpieces, the 'Spezial' I think is brighter. She also sells the Runyon, and is in Germany, so you won't have to pay import duty & tax..

The link to her page on C-Mel mouthpieces is -
http://smartandsold.stein-it.net/index.php?cPath=16_19

Just click on 'Kontakt' to email, Mo speaks good english, please mention my name. Once again, welcome !

Pepe
User ID: 0324974 Sep 1st 3:24 AM
Hi Alan,
Thanks for your reply. I suppose the hits on your website from Spain should be mine. I'm based in Barcelona. I've been playing, tenor, alto and a bit soprano. I was very curious on C mels. And I got now this beautiful Buescher. I need to reppad it, and in the meantime I would like to have more info about those mpcs. I will email Mo and and of course will mention you.
Thanks.All the best.

Steve
User ID: 1069864 Sep 1st 8:37 AM
Hey Alan,
Have you tried my mpc on your Buescher yet?
Or any other Buescher users?

I've tried it on a Holton just last week and it went well. So that's Holton, Conn and Martin sofar!

I'm anxious to get a Buescher players opinion?

Alan (UK)
User ID: 8200143 Sep 1st 9:03 AM
Steve - yes, I mentioned it in an email to you a while back - plays fine with a 'just playable' Buescher in 'original' condition - late delivery on the snap-in pads is holding the refurb up....

The mouthpiece is obviously fine for all C-mels, if there is one odd sax that doesn't perform as well with it, chances are that it's down to the sax (or the player.......).

At your price - like I've said before, there's no reason why every C-Mel shouldn't have one in it's case ( or it's gig-bag, which you also can supply....) It may not be the brightest mouthpiece in the world - altho' considerably brighter (and much better tasting) than the original ones, and great for a slightly more modern 'authentic' C-Mel sound. Not everyone wants to sound like a jazz-funk player.

I'm happy to recommend it to anyone who emails me - I think you should do a bundled "C-Mel kit" - mouthpiece, reeds and gig-bag ! ( +sling ?) Instantly replace all the 'grotty bits' that come with the average C-Mel !

:-))

P.S. I have absolutely no business connection whatsoever with Steve, I'm just very happy to recommend him and his products purely on their merit. Keep up the good work Steve.

Steve
User ID: 1069864 Sep 1st 6:38 PM
Thanks Alan,
Logicaly the C sax tube length is the controling factor to correct intonation.

The Holton neck is @20mm longer than the Conn so I had to push the mpc further on to get it tuned but went well.

Cheers!

Alan (UK)
User ID: 8200143 Sep 2nd 5:47 AM
Steve - I've found with several C-mels I've bought, that having the mouthpiece in the 'standard' position has been the cause of many intonation problems. Can vary from Martin to Martin, or Buescher to Buescher - let alone from make to make....

Like the Buescher, advertised with a Runyon C-Mel mpc, described on ebay as 'tuning isn't so hot..."

I pushed the Runyon about10-15 cm more onto the cork (compression showed it'd been about halfway, pretty normal) and - guess what - it was all then spot on !

I put the mouthpiece back to where it had been, and intonation was all over the place ! That's why I always advise that a couple of notes (say A1 & E2) just above and below the break must be reasonably in concert pitch before the rest even stand a chance.

Obviously - as is the nature of the beastie - an odd note or two may need a little lipping - but the rest of the sax can be sensible. Apart from the high palms, which is why I prefer alternate/altissimo E,F and up... They are cleaner notes anyway. Hence my need for a that auxiliary front-F key - which I'm automatically assuming the new sax will have ?

Steve
User ID: 1069864 Sep 3rd 8:17 PM
The new sax will have completely new modern style key layout up to High F#.

Same as on the Selmer.

Not having played a Selmer, I'm not sure if the front F will work the same or be neccessary.

Alan (UK)
User ID: 8200143 Sep 4th 5:58 AM
Steve - when I say aux-front-F, I mean the extra (top) left-hand pearl on the main action. It's been present on all new saxes since the 30's, but not all 20's C-Mels. Nothing specifically to do with Selmer - but do we take it that the action is cloned from a Selmer ?

You almost certainly have an aux-front-F on your Conn, but maybe not the Holton - unless it has a 'spatula' type - some did. It opens up the high F, as an alternate to the palm key. Most 'robust' players use it to play from (alternative) E3 to (altissimo) G3.

It has to be present for a sax to be considered 'modern', regardless of whether the new C-mel has a " completely new modern style key layout......."

I'd be surprised if it isn't there. Regards, Alan.

Steve
User ID: 1592424 Sep 4th 7:58 AM
Yes, the Conn has one and the Holton doesn't.
The new C should have one!
I don't have a Selmer to check but the Conn was the starting point for the new model.
I saw the Key layout on a friends Selmer, when I visited last month (breifly)

Can any Selmer players confirm the Aux Front F?

bruce bailey
User ID: 8472013 Sep 6th 12:18 AM
I also have no affiliation with Steve but I say that any C player should have one of his mouthpieces. A real BARGAIN! As far as the aux F, I have converted a few sopranos by using a clarinet A key and the mount. It can actually be epoxied to the body as it really take very little pressure. The A cup on the clarinet part will need to be unsoldered and bent a bit and have a piece to extend it under the F palm key. It sound hard, but on some models it drops right in. On a C Melody, it may work better with an Alto or Bass Clarinet A key.

Pepe
User ID: 7650093 Nov 6th 3:28 PM
Hi again,
I just got my mpc from Aquilasax...it plays great! Thankls again Stevem, great job!
What a difference with the old Buescher mpc. I got my Buescher from an auction on ebay last august, the sn 53342, I suppose it's from the late 20's but I'm not sure. I did a complete repad job, and sounds!!

bruce bailey
User ID: 8576533 Nov 7th 12:11 AM
That Buescher would be made in mid 1919. I like my Aquila mpc too.

Pepe User ID: 0833354	Aug 31st 2:48 AM Hi everyone, I'm new in this forum as I just got a Buescher C Mel from de States. It comes with a Buescher C mel mpc (at least it is marked C in the ligature). But would like to know if there other possibilities to get a more "brighter sound". I've heard about Zinner mpc, Runyons etc. Anyone has recomendations for that?. Thanks, and regards from Spain.
alan (UK) User ID: 8200143	Aug 31st 4:58 AM Pepe - I've been having a few Spanish 'hits' at cmelodysax.co.uk - was that you ? Welcome. One of the other contributors from here sells the Zinner mouthpieces, the 'Spezial' I think is brighter. She also sells the Runyon, and is in Germany, so you won't have to pay import duty & tax.. The link to her page on C-Mel mouthpieces is - http://smartandsold.stein-it.net/index.php?cPath=16_19 Just click on 'Kontakt' to email, Mo speaks good english, please mention my name. Once again, welcome !
Pepe User ID: 0324974	Sep 1st 3:24 AM Hi Alan, Thanks for your reply. I suppose the hits on your website from Spain should be mine. I'm based in Barcelona. I've been playing, tenor, alto and a bit soprano. I was very curious on C mels. And I got now this beautiful Buescher. I need to reppad it, and in the meantime I would like to have more info about those mpcs. I will email Mo and and of course will mention you. Thanks.All the best.
Steve User ID: 1069864	Sep 1st 8:37 AM Hey Alan, Have you tried my mpc on your Buescher yet? Or any other Buescher users? I've tried it on a Holton just last week and it went well. So that's Holton, Conn and Martin sofar! I'm anxious to get a Buescher players opinion?
Alan (UK) User ID: 8200143	Sep 1st 9:03 AM Steve - yes, I mentioned it in an email to you a while back - plays fine with a 'just playable' Buescher in 'original' condition - late delivery on the snap-in pads is holding the refurb up.... The mouthpiece is obviously fine for all C-mels, if there is one odd sax that doesn't perform as well with it, chances are that it's down to the sax (or the player.......). At your price - like I've said before, there's no reason why every C-Mel shouldn't have one in it's case ( or it's gig-bag, which you also can supply....) It may not be the brightest mouthpiece in the world - altho' considerably brighter (and much better tasting) than the original ones, and great for a slightly more modern 'authentic' C-Mel sound. Not everyone wants to sound like a jazz-funk player. I'm happy to recommend it to anyone who emails me - I think you should do a bundled "C-Mel kit" - mouthpiece, reeds and gig-bag ! ( +sling ?) Instantly replace all the 'grotty bits' that come with the average C-Mel ! :-)) P.S. I have absolutely no business connection whatsoever with Steve, I'm just very happy to recommend him and his products purely on their merit. Keep up the good work Steve.
Steve User ID: 1069864	Sep 1st 6:38 PM Thanks Alan, Logicaly the C sax tube length is the controling factor to correct intonation. The Holton neck is @20mm longer than the Conn so I had to push the mpc further on to get it tuned but went well. Cheers!
Alan (UK) User ID: 8200143	Sep 2nd 5:47 AM Steve - I've found with several C-mels I've bought, that having the mouthpiece in the 'standard' position has been the cause of many intonation problems. Can vary from Martin to Martin, or Buescher to Buescher - let alone from make to make.... Like the Buescher, advertised with a Runyon C-Mel mpc, described on ebay as 'tuning isn't so hot..." I pushed the Runyon about10-15 cm more onto the cork (compression showed it'd been about halfway, pretty normal) and - guess what - it was all then spot on ! I put the mouthpiece back to where it had been, and intonation was all over the place ! That's why I always advise that a couple of notes (say A1 & E2) just above and below the break must be reasonably in concert pitch before the rest even stand a chance. Obviously - as is the nature of the beastie - an odd note or two may need a little lipping - but the rest of the sax can be sensible. Apart from the high palms, which is why I prefer alternate/altissimo E,F and up... They are cleaner notes anyway. Hence my need for a that auxiliary front-F key - which I'm automatically assuming the new sax will have ?
Steve User ID: 1069864	Sep 3rd 8:17 PM The new sax will have completely new modern style key layout up to High F#. Same as on the Selmer. Not having played a Selmer, I'm not sure if the front F will work the same or be neccessary.
Alan (UK) User ID: 8200143	Sep 4th 5:58 AM Steve - when I say aux-front-F, I mean the extra (top) left-hand pearl on the main action. It's been present on all new saxes since the 30's, but not all 20's C-Mels. Nothing specifically to do with Selmer - but do we take it that the action is cloned from a Selmer ? You almost certainly have an aux-front-F on your Conn, but maybe not the Holton - unless it has a 'spatula' type - some did. It opens up the high F, as an alternate to the palm key. Most 'robust' players use it to play from (alternative) E3 to (altissimo) G3. It has to be present for a sax to be considered 'modern', regardless of whether the new C-mel has a " completely new modern style key layout......." I'd be surprised if it isn't there. Regards, Alan.
Steve User ID: 1592424	Sep 4th 7:58 AM Yes, the Conn has one and the Holton doesn't. The new C should have one! I don't have a Selmer to check but the Conn was the starting point for the new model. I saw the Key layout on a friends Selmer, when I visited last month (breifly) Can any Selmer players confirm the Aux Front F?
bruce bailey User ID: 8472013	Sep 6th 12:18 AM I also have no affiliation with Steve but I say that any C player should have one of his mouthpieces. A real BARGAIN! As far as the aux F, I have converted a few sopranos by using a clarinet A key and the mount. It can actually be epoxied to the body as it really take very little pressure. The A cup on the clarinet part will need to be unsoldered and bent a bit and have a piece to extend it under the F palm key. It sound hard, but on some models it drops right in. On a C Melody, it may work better with an Alto or Bass Clarinet A key.
Pepe User ID: 7650093	Nov 6th 3:28 PM Hi again, I just got my mpc from Aquilasax...it plays great! Thankls again Stevem, great job! What a difference with the old Buescher mpc. I got my Buescher from an auction on ebay last august, the sn 53342, I suppose it's from the late 20's but I'm not sure. I did a complete repad job, and sounds!!
bruce bailey User ID: 8576533	Nov 7th 12:11 AM That Buescher would be made in mid 1919. I like my Aquila mpc too.