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soybean
User ID: 0401124 Nov 27th 2:22 PM
(2007) Just recieved the Holton C-mel #22051. This is only the 2nd C-mel I've owned. It took a while to blow it because no tenor mouthpiece would fit. The neck has a smaller bore than the Buescher C-mel. Interestingly, the bell is larger than the Buescher. I finally found an alto mpc that works well.

First impressions of the Holton: not as loud or bright as a Buescher, much more in tune than Buescher, altissimo register is very easy, the "master keys" have a lot of potential. Having a front-F is a great convenience, too.

One of the 'extra' keys is really valuable and I wonder why it didn't survive into the modern era. That is the right-hand side key for playing high D (D3). Trilling from C# to D or C to D becomes smooth and easy. After playing for a half hour, I missed having this key on my modern tenor.

The original mouthpiece is the Holton half metal/ half-hard rubber model #1. I prefer modern pieces. By the way, anybody know if this was the very first metal mouthpiece?

I'm thinking the Holton is probably worth the re-pad that it desperately needs. With resonater pads, it might gain a little more Buescher-type volume. The good intonation and inovative keywork are what impresses most about the Holton. The sound may be a little more alto-like than the Buescher. One more thing… the strap ring is in a much better place than most C-mels, making this easier to hold.

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Dec 8th 2:17 PM
(2007)

Jazzbug- my pleasure. This stuff is fascinating. Holton made some really good horns and people should know the history. At the very least, folks should be able to get an approximate date for their Holton sax. I thought the various information made interesting reading.

As to using your abacus; always check the batteries.

jazzbug1 2007
User ID: 0408214 Dec 8th 4:47 PM
Sometimes I check my bat of Reese. It's in my baseball memorabilia collection.

bruce bailey
User ID: 9690803 Dec 9th 12:37 AM
I had a Pee Wee Reese bat in about 1958. Too heavy, it was a 34.

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Dec 11th 12:54 PM
Vat of Reeses? (leftover peanut-butter cups from Halloween.)

jazzbug1
User ID: 7837853 Dec 11th 2:46 PM
My grandfather was in the Kaiser's bicycle troops in 1914-18. He was short. His name: Pee-Wee German

alan (uk)
User ID: 1731514 Dec 11th 5:40 PM
Was that the "Bicycling Parachutists" ? I hear they started pedalling on the way down for a quick getaway...

bruce bailey
User ID: 9690803 Dec 12th 12:30 AM
Soybean - one of my customers bought the Gold plated Hooton on ebay. It is not a Rudy but has all the typical Holton extra keys. I will know in a week if it is good, excellent, just OK or whatever.

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Dec 12th 2:09 PM
(2007) I saw that one on eBay. The seller referred to it as a Rudy model, but then he corrected it… probably after your input. Let us know how it turns out.

jazzbug1 2007
User ID: 0735934 Dec 13th 6:48 AM
I sent a message to the person listing the Holton that it was not a Wiedoeft, but was quite interesting. I have never seen a Holton with deluxe engraving, and it is not offered in the catalog or ads that I have. I suspect it was done by an outside engraver, as it is done around the standard Holton logo. It is burnished gold (a long, skilled, hand process) like the beautiful Conns of the early to late 20s.
Bruce-- Love your typo-- Hope your customer plays some good "Hooton" on the horn.

bruce bailey
User ID: 9690803 Dec 14th 12:50 AM
Who says it was a typo? Maybe it can be used at Hooters....

jazzbug1
User ID: 7837853 Dec 16th 11:07 AM
I've never been to a Hooters, but it might be the breast restaurant I've been to yet.

soybean
User ID: 0401124 Dec 16th 10:50 PM
Oh yes- the chicken breast sandwich… Mmmm; delicious!

bruce bailey
User ID: 9690803 Dec 17th 12:46 AM
The rump roast looks tasty too.

jazzbug1
User ID: 0735934 Dec 19th 7:54 AM
I was slapped by the clerk at a pastry shop. All I said was, "Hey, nice cupcakes".

alan (uk)
User ID: 1731514 Dec 19th 3:47 PM
Don't (whatever you do), compliment the cook on her dumplings...

Back 20 Messages

soybean User ID: 0401124	Nov 27th 2:22 PM (2007) Just recieved the Holton C-mel #22051. This is only the 2nd C-mel I've owned. It took a while to blow it because no tenor mouthpiece would fit. The neck has a smaller bore than the Buescher C-mel. Interestingly, the bell is larger than the Buescher. I finally found an alto mpc that works well. First impressions of the Holton: not as loud or bright as a Buescher, much more in tune than Buescher, altissimo register is very easy, the "master keys" have a lot of potential. Having a front-F is a great convenience, too. One of the 'extra' keys is really valuable and I wonder why it didn't survive into the modern era. That is the right-hand side key for playing high D (D3). Trilling from C# to D or C to D becomes smooth and easy. After playing for a half hour, I missed having this key on my modern tenor. The original mouthpiece is the Holton half metal/ half-hard rubber model #1. I prefer modern pieces. By the way, anybody know if this was the very first metal mouthpiece? I'm thinking the Holton is probably worth the re-pad that it desperately needs. With resonater pads, it might gain a little more Buescher-type volume. The good intonation and inovative keywork are what impresses most about the Holton. The sound may be a little more alto-like than the Buescher. One more thing… the strap ring is in a much better place than most C-mels, making this easier to hold.
soybean User ID: 0401124	Dec 8th 2:17 PM (2007) Jazzbug- my pleasure. This stuff is fascinating. Holton made some really good horns and people should know the history. At the very least, folks should be able to get an approximate date for their Holton sax. I thought the various information made interesting reading. As to using your abacus; always check the batteries.
jazzbug1 2007 User ID: 0408214	Dec 8th 4:47 PM Sometimes I check my bat of Reese. It's in my baseball memorabilia collection.
bruce bailey User ID: 9690803	Dec 9th 12:37 AM I had a Pee Wee Reese bat in about 1958. Too heavy, it was a 34.
soybean User ID: 0401124	Dec 11th 12:54 PM Vat of Reeses? (leftover peanut-butter cups from Halloween.)
jazzbug1 User ID: 7837853	Dec 11th 2:46 PM My grandfather was in the Kaiser's bicycle troops in 1914-18. He was short. His name: Pee-Wee German
alan (uk) User ID: 1731514	Dec 11th 5:40 PM Was that the "Bicycling Parachutists" ? I hear they started pedalling on the way down for a quick getaway...
bruce bailey User ID: 9690803	Dec 12th 12:30 AM Soybean - one of my customers bought the Gold plated Hooton on ebay. It is not a Rudy but has all the typical Holton extra keys. I will know in a week if it is good, excellent, just OK or whatever.
soybean User ID: 0401124	Dec 12th 2:09 PM (2007) I saw that one on eBay. The seller referred to it as a Rudy model, but then he corrected it… probably after your input. Let us know how it turns out.
jazzbug1 2007 User ID: 0735934	Dec 13th 6:48 AM I sent a message to the person listing the Holton that it was not a Wiedoeft, but was quite interesting. I have never seen a Holton with deluxe engraving, and it is not offered in the catalog or ads that I have. I suspect it was done by an outside engraver, as it is done around the standard Holton logo. It is burnished gold (a long, skilled, hand process) like the beautiful Conns of the early to late 20s. Bruce-- Love your typo-- Hope your customer plays some good "Hooton" on the horn.
bruce bailey User ID: 9690803	Dec 14th 12:50 AM Who says it was a typo? Maybe it can be used at Hooters....
jazzbug1 User ID: 7837853	Dec 16th 11:07 AM I've never been to a Hooters, but it might be the breast restaurant I've been to yet.
soybean User ID: 0401124	Dec 16th 10:50 PM Oh yes- the chicken breast sandwich… Mmmm; delicious!
bruce bailey User ID: 9690803	Dec 17th 12:46 AM The rump roast looks tasty too.
jazzbug1 User ID: 0735934	Dec 19th 7:54 AM I was slapped by the clerk at a pastry shop. All I said was, "Hey, nice cupcakes".
alan (uk) User ID: 1731514	Dec 19th 3:47 PM Don't (whatever you do), compliment the cook on her dumplings...