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C Melody Saxophone Forum / Marketplace / Holton Metal MP wanted

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jazzbug1
User ID: 1836024 Jun 13th 11:15 AM
Hello-- Looking for a Holton soprano sax mouthpiece. This may or may not be marked "Holton". They are silver colored metal and are covered by a red or brown hard rubber coating. Will pay honest dollars. Thanks!jazzbug1@aol.com

Jim B
User ID: 8945823 Jun 13th 12:12 PM
Local music shop as one. I was going to buy---only asked $20USA for it. It has a drawback. It is designed to play on a holton neck which appears at the time to have no cork (or very little). Mouthpiece would not fit on my Conn or Buescher C melodies---too small. Not even sure if it would fit on my Conn or Buescher alto necks. If any players out there play on this mouthpiece, let me know how this mouthpiece fits on the neck of a holton?

jazzbug1
User ID: 1836024 Jun 13th 12:57 PM
Jim B-- PLease forward the music store's phone or website to me. I'll send you a "finder's fee".
The Holton mouthpiece fits on an adjustable metal shaft which slides up and down on the metal neck. The cork went around the shaft, not the neck, so the mouthpiece is a different diameter than usual to allow for the extra thickness of the shaft/cork. This allows the player to easily pull or push the mouthpiece for tuning, provided the sliding area is greased. There is a neat little clamp on the sliding shaft to anchor it in tune.

Captain Beeflat
User ID: 1738604 Jun 13th 1:05 PM
It is always possible to bore the engaged section of the mouthpiece shank, or even bore and sleeve this area...not really a problem.

jazzbug1
User ID: 1836024 Jun 13th 3:05 PM
Captain--- Don't tell Jim B that--- I want this piece! Actually, I did try to bore a Holton. It is a very hard alloy (Probably stainless steel) and it was quite a job even for .010 inch.

jazzbug1
User ID: 1836024 Jun 13th 3:06 PM
On second thought-- I could bore anything easily just by talking.

Rob T
User ID: 9461303 Jun 13th 3:55 PM
Jazzbug, you say "The Holton mouthpiece fits on an adjustable metal shaft which slides up and down on the metal neck. The cork went around the shaft, not the neck, so the mouthpiece is a different diameter than usual to allow for the extra thickness of the shaft/cork", wouldn't that make the bore of the Holton mouthpiece bigger rather than smaller? as you would have the extra thickness of the metal shaft plus the cork on top of it. I am not saying you are wrong, just that it doesn't sound right. I have a Holton C Mel with what appears to be the original mouthpiece. The whole sax was in very original condition. The mpc has a very small bore. The neck has no cork at all. It is wound with thin red cotton thread, a bit like a whipping on the end of a rope. It does not increase the neck diameter by much at all, much less than that of cork. I don't know if this is how some Holtons were set up new. Mine is about 1905 vintage. Could yours be something similar? Anyone have any ideas?

ukebert
User ID: 1035294 Jun 13th 4:00 PM
Of course if the seal is adequate, a threaded neck rather than a corked neck would be more efficient, less of an air barrier etc.

alan (uk)
User ID: 0415304 Jun 13th 5:24 PM
jb1 - you were wanting a soprano mpc, Jim was (I think) talking about a C-Mel mpc ?

Although you'd probably snap that one up as well......?

I have one of those (the C-mel type) somewhere.....

Captain Muggles
User ID: 8945823 Jun 13th 9:28 PM
jazzbug1...I have one of those metal holtons for a C melody. It came with my first Conn C melody. I traded the horn to Castaway and kept the metal Holton Mouthpiece. It worked fine on the Conn.

alan (uk)
User ID: 0415304 Jun 14th 4:16 AM
Yes, just found mine !

I don't understand the 'sliding sleeve' bit, the deep red (over metal) Holton C-mel mpc I have is a 'gnats' (whisker) smaller internal shank diameter - no big deal - but otherwise interchanges with all the other mouthpieces on a variety of corked necks...

jazzbug1
User ID: 8973393 Jun 14th 7:40 AM
The sliding shaft for mounting the mouthpiece is covered with cork. The barrel end of the horn is bare to allow for lubricated metal sliding on metal. The apparatus consists of two concentric cylinders. Many Holtons have lost these sliding shafts and now just have a conventional cork on the end of the barrel portion of the horn, like any other mouthpiece fitting. The sliding shaft is very thin, and if left on for years without grease, it tends to seize on the barrel. The reason so many horns have lost this part is that the cylider metal is so thin, it is hard to remove without destroying it, once it has seized. There is no difference between the Holton and any other mouthpiece diameter. This apparatus is only on the Rudy Wiedoeft models, made from about 1928--32. I have a C Melody and two altos. They give a classic large chamber sound, with a metallic edge to their tone, which makes them my favorite. I would love to have a soprano mouthpiece, as I just purchased a Wiedoeft soprano. The other topic is threaded necks. They work fine on clarinets, although there is some swelling due to moisture, which could cause a crack. Just keep the joint well greased. Furthermore, a threaded joint is easy to repair, rather than a re-cork.
WOW-- I just made a number of short sentences and without a lame joke. My achievement of the week.

ukebert
User ID: 1035294 Jun 14th 8:15 AM
There is a C mel mouthpiece here, if it illustrates smebodies point.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280124802190&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1

Captain Muggles
User ID: 8945823 Jun 14th 9:44 AM
jazzbug1...I don't believe it. You posted great information and advice without any levity whatsoever. Your intellect just shined right through. Congratulations. I always knew you could do it.

Jim B
User ID: 1529574 Jun 14th 1:36 PM
The mouthpiece in the music store does not look like the ebay item. It is bright silver with an enlayed rubber or plastic with the holton stamp. There is no screw attachment like the ebay item.

Jim B
User ID: 1529574 Jun 14th 1:38 PM
The mouthpiece I saw was a C melody mouthpiece---not for soprano.....Sorry.

bruce bailey
User ID: 9670323 Jun 15th 12:06 AM
Holton had 2 types of mouthpiece attachments, the normal type and the sleeve type mentioned above. It may be the the Rudy horns had the sleeve type and the others were normal. Think of the sleeve fitting as being like a trumpet slide with a securing screw.

jazzbug1
User ID: 7531403 Jun 17th 12:45 PM
I just put in a proposition to have my Village change my street name to "Rue De Wiedoeft."

jazzbug1
User ID: 0735934 Sep 12th 8:07 AM
Just bought one on Ebay for $48.00 ( a real bargain--should have gone over $100). Holton sopranos are rare. I'll try it out as soon as my Rudy model Bb soprano is finished. I will compare it with my Sinclair soprano mouthpiece. The loser will be on Ebay.

alan (uk)
User ID: 0651814 Sep 12th 3:53 PM
jb1 - How do you intend to describe yourself on ebay ? Do you think you'll reach reserve ?

Arf-arf... (Sorry I just couldn't resist, shouldn't give me feeds like that, you know we all love you !)

Next 20 Messages

jazzbug1 User ID: 1836024	Jun 13th 11:15 AM Hello-- Looking for a Holton soprano sax mouthpiece. This may or may not be marked "Holton". They are silver colored metal and are covered by a red or brown hard rubber coating. Will pay honest dollars. Thanks!jazzbug1@aol.com
Jim B User ID: 8945823	Jun 13th 12:12 PM Local music shop as one. I was going to buy---only asked $20USA for it. It has a drawback. It is designed to play on a holton neck which appears at the time to have no cork (or very little). Mouthpiece would not fit on my Conn or Buescher C melodies---too small. Not even sure if it would fit on my Conn or Buescher alto necks. If any players out there play on this mouthpiece, let me know how this mouthpiece fits on the neck of a holton?
jazzbug1 User ID: 1836024	Jun 13th 12:57 PM Jim B-- PLease forward the music store's phone or website to me. I'll send you a "finder's fee". The Holton mouthpiece fits on an adjustable metal shaft which slides up and down on the metal neck. The cork went around the shaft, not the neck, so the mouthpiece is a different diameter than usual to allow for the extra thickness of the shaft/cork. This allows the player to easily pull or push the mouthpiece for tuning, provided the sliding area is greased. There is a neat little clamp on the sliding shaft to anchor it in tune.
Captain Beeflat User ID: 1738604	Jun 13th 1:05 PM It is always possible to bore the engaged section of the mouthpiece shank, or even bore and sleeve this area...not really a problem.
jazzbug1 User ID: 1836024	Jun 13th 3:05 PM Captain--- Don't tell Jim B that--- I want this piece! Actually, I did try to bore a Holton. It is a very hard alloy (Probably stainless steel) and it was quite a job even for .010 inch.
jazzbug1 User ID: 1836024	Jun 13th 3:06 PM On second thought-- I could bore anything easily just by talking.
Rob T User ID: 9461303	Jun 13th 3:55 PM Jazzbug, you say "The Holton mouthpiece fits on an adjustable metal shaft which slides up and down on the metal neck. The cork went around the shaft, not the neck, so the mouthpiece is a different diameter than usual to allow for the extra thickness of the shaft/cork", wouldn't that make the bore of the Holton mouthpiece bigger rather than smaller? as you would have the extra thickness of the metal shaft plus the cork on top of it. I am not saying you are wrong, just that it doesn't sound right. I have a Holton C Mel with what appears to be the original mouthpiece. The whole sax was in very original condition. The mpc has a very small bore. The neck has no cork at all. It is wound with thin red cotton thread, a bit like a whipping on the end of a rope. It does not increase the neck diameter by much at all, much less than that of cork. I don't know if this is how some Holtons were set up new. Mine is about 1905 vintage. Could yours be something similar? Anyone have any ideas?
ukebert User ID: 1035294	Jun 13th 4:00 PM Of course if the seal is adequate, a threaded neck rather than a corked neck would be more efficient, less of an air barrier etc.
alan (uk) User ID: 0415304	Jun 13th 5:24 PM jb1 - you were wanting a soprano mpc, Jim was (I think) talking about a C-Mel mpc ? Although you'd probably snap that one up as well......? I have one of those (the C-mel type) somewhere.....
Captain Muggles User ID: 8945823	Jun 13th 9:28 PM jazzbug1...I have one of those metal holtons for a C melody. It came with my first Conn C melody. I traded the horn to Castaway and kept the metal Holton Mouthpiece. It worked fine on the Conn.
alan (uk) User ID: 0415304	Jun 14th 4:16 AM Yes, just found mine ! I don't understand the 'sliding sleeve' bit, the deep red (over metal) Holton C-mel mpc I have is a 'gnats' (whisker) smaller internal shank diameter - no big deal - but otherwise interchanges with all the other mouthpieces on a variety of corked necks...
jazzbug1 User ID: 8973393	Jun 14th 7:40 AM The sliding shaft for mounting the mouthpiece is covered with cork. The barrel end of the horn is bare to allow for lubricated metal sliding on metal. The apparatus consists of two concentric cylinders. Many Holtons have lost these sliding shafts and now just have a conventional cork on the end of the barrel portion of the horn, like any other mouthpiece fitting. The sliding shaft is very thin, and if left on for years without grease, it tends to seize on the barrel. The reason so many horns have lost this part is that the cylider metal is so thin, it is hard to remove without destroying it, once it has seized. There is no difference between the Holton and any other mouthpiece diameter. This apparatus is only on the Rudy Wiedoeft models, made from about 1928--32. I have a C Melody and two altos. They give a classic large chamber sound, with a metallic edge to their tone, which makes them my favorite. I would love to have a soprano mouthpiece, as I just purchased a Wiedoeft soprano. The other topic is threaded necks. They work fine on clarinets, although there is some swelling due to moisture, which could cause a crack. Just keep the joint well greased. Furthermore, a threaded joint is easy to repair, rather than a re-cork. WOW-- I just made a number of short sentences and without a lame joke. My achievement of the week.
ukebert User ID: 1035294	Jun 14th 8:15 AM There is a C mel mouthpiece here, if it illustrates smebodies point. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280124802190&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1
Captain Muggles User ID: 8945823	Jun 14th 9:44 AM jazzbug1...I don't believe it. You posted great information and advice without any levity whatsoever. Your intellect just shined right through. Congratulations. I always knew you could do it.
Jim B User ID: 1529574	Jun 14th 1:36 PM The mouthpiece in the music store does not look like the ebay item. It is bright silver with an enlayed rubber or plastic with the holton stamp. There is no screw attachment like the ebay item.
Jim B User ID: 1529574	Jun 14th 1:38 PM The mouthpiece I saw was a C melody mouthpiece---not for soprano.....Sorry.
bruce bailey User ID: 9670323	Jun 15th 12:06 AM Holton had 2 types of mouthpiece attachments, the normal type and the sleeve type mentioned above. It may be the the Rudy horns had the sleeve type and the others were normal. Think of the sleeve fitting as being like a trumpet slide with a securing screw.
jazzbug1 User ID: 7531403	Jun 17th 12:45 PM I just put in a proposition to have my Village change my street name to "Rue De Wiedoeft."
jazzbug1 User ID: 0735934	Sep 12th 8:07 AM Just bought one on Ebay for $48.00 ( a real bargain--should have gone over $100). Holton sopranos are rare. I'll try it out as soon as my Rudy model Bb soprano is finished. I will compare it with my Sinclair soprano mouthpiece. The loser will be on Ebay.
alan (uk) User ID: 0651814	Sep 12th 3:53 PM jb1 - How do you intend to describe yourself on ebay ? Do you think you'll reach reserve ? Arf-arf... (Sorry I just couldn't resist, shouldn't give me feeds like that, you know we all love you !)